Suggest an entry - midrange Preamp (tube as well as SS) for a McIntosh power amp


Starting a new thread to get some suggestions on what would be a good preamp for my new McIntosh MC152 power amp. Currently its connected to my Rotel RA-12 and powering KEF LS50s. I plan to upgrade the speakers down the line to either something like the Evoke 50s or B&W 805D3 (still debating between their sound sig.).
My preference tends to be more towards warm, non-harsh top end with a little sparkle and good controlled bass. I do like the Rotel sound honestly, but it being an Integrated, I plan to move it to do duties in another room. I would prefer to have a DAC built in, but if its a good Analog only tube preamp, I’m open for it. Needs to have a remote control and preferably a sub-out along with pre-outs.
Right now on my radar are:
Parasound P6
Rogue RP1
Schiit Saga or Freya +
Given the damage I just took from the McIntosh purchase, I’m trying to get by with as low as possible price wise. So unless its really worth the extra spend, I’d like to stay closer to $1-1.5k USD range.

On a different note, is okay to use a Y-splitter on the Pre-out to feed to the sub and the power amp? Or will this degrade the signal or mess anything with the input impedence on the sub or the power amp?
sr20022002

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Thanks for the suggestions! Any thoughts on Rogue RP-1 and Schiit Freya in comparison?
Any good solid state options with a decent dac (ideally with USB ).
@georgehifi I’m super tempted by the Freya, especially at the price point its at. That being said, what are the tube rolling options with that one? Are the stock tubes pretty good, or do I need to immediately spring for Tung-sol or RCA NOS tubes? I already played that game with my Dark Voice head amp ;) ... its fun for sure, but get pretty expensive real quick. 
I’ll be feeding the preamp to the MC152, not sure what the impedance is on that amp, hopefully its not a problem. 

Another challenge I see with the Freya is that I’ll have to buy a Dac separately which will be an added cost, will most likely go with a Schiit multibut for the heck of it. 
Any Dac suggestions apart from Schiit to go with the Freya?
Thanks for that note on the Y-splitter, so basically worst case I’ll need to crank the volume on the pre a little more than normal with the y-splitter, but it shouldn’t degrade the quality of the signal. 

How do you think it comes to the Rogue RP-1? Anyone have experience with that by any chance?

@gone Ideally I’d like USB (DSD support), Coax and optical inputs. But worst case I can get buy with just Coax and optical. Haven’t looked at Bel Canto yet, will it match the sound signature I’m looking for? 

@woodhart @jnorris2005 @allenf1963 Thanks for sharing your experience with the Schiitt gear. I’m super tempted give the price, just not sure if I should instead get a SS preamp first that has a Dac built in and then add Freya later for the tube sound. It’s a tough call 

@mrklas I’ve definitely heard of Simaudio, its just that its way outside my price range, I’m trying to say south of $1.5k 

@georgehifi I’ll ping that user about the tubes, thanks for the tip! 

@mcmvmx Will check that one out, not heard of it before. 

@lordrootman Will that Rotel make that much of a difference though? From my understanding the only difference is I think upgrade from the Wolfson (WM8470 maybe?) to a different DAC. I’m trying to know if its a sizeable upgrade. 

@pops Thanks will check it out

Appreciate all the suggestions. I’ll do some homework now based on the recommendations and come back to this topic
update ...

what are your thoughts between Parasound P6 and Rotel RC-1572?
The P6 seems to have a lot of bass management and crossover control not sure if that’s good or would just add more coloration to the signal feeding into the MC152.

Also what can I expect from the built in Dacs, the ESS 9018k2m in the P6 vs the AKM (not sure which model) in the Rotel. Are either of them know for a particular signature ? I like the warm sound of my current Rotel which uses Wolfson 8470 Dac chip I believe