Subwoofers - Final Thoughts with Martin Logan ESL 13A
I’ve narrowed this down to 3 choices (I think) and was looking to see if anyone has had some experience with pairing these subs with ML ESLs? I can’t try and return because they are mostly secondhand purchases, so hoping to get it right the first time!
Force Cancelling subs have been highly recommended, so:
KEF KC92 (or KF92 older model) 2, 3 or possible 4 of these:
https://assets.kef.com/product-support/kc92-subwoofer/KC92_info_sheet_EN_V4_20240124.pdf
Martin Logan BalancedForced 210 - Maybe the best as they match up nicely, but I could probably only do one of these as they are HUGE. I have only one spot I could put one as far as the manual's recommendation goes. Martin Logan says these will cover 3000 sq. ft. My room is only 500 sq. ft. Two maybe overkill, but some say, "2 subs or no subs" Maybe I could put another addition on the house :-(
https://www.martinlogan.com/en/product/balancedforce-210 - click on Specs/Lit
Lastly, The Swarm Subwoofer System - not sure how well this would work with my ESLs.
https://www.audiokinesis.com/the-swarm-subwoofer-system-1.html
Any advice would greatly be appreciated (as usual).
Thanks, and all the best of the season to you all!
@big_greg You did not but you supported the post by @coltrane1 :
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You made the point precisely.
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@rauliruegas your confusion deepens. Quoting / responding to a post is not the same as "supporting" it. |
@big_greg Never mind. I posted my point. If I'm wrong p'lease just ignore it, why to worry about.
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Dear @cundare2 : Thank's to post about the Perlisten and yes the manufacturer took care in its design and build quality level and according that design this subwoofer is a good unit.
However and always exist those " but " because in audio nothing is perfect.
The review and real time measurements that Audiolics made it showed that the reviewer never listened the Velodyne HGS 15 or 18 or even the 12 models where all those came with treated paper/pulp woofer material ( superior woofer material that any today one in that specific woofer designs. ) and not only that but he never measured the ( even today Velodyne DD models ) subwoofers with so low THD as the Velodyne units: 0.5% at below 20hz that's outperformed only by the 60K+ Magico unit ( o.4% ) that by " coincidence " uses treated paper for the woofers. R. |
>The review and real time measurements that Audiolics made it showed that the reviewer never listened the Velodyne HGS 15 or 18 or even the 12 models where all those came with treated paper/pulp woofer material Uh, yeah, maybe, whatever, but so what? I’m not arguing with you, but I don’t get your point. Far from me to defend a second-tier online resource like Audioholics, but when has any reviewer measured every single offering on the market that shares a product class with a PUT? (Spoiler: It’s an impossible standard.) So why would the failure to do so automatically cast aspersions on what a reviewer hears? For example, you claim that the Velodyne is surpassed only by the Magico model. That’s quite an assertion, so was the source for that statement derived from a reviewer that compared measurements & subjective SQ of the entire Perlisten, Velodyne, and Magico product lines? And, for that matter, of every other sub that might compete with those products? Again, not trying to start a debate that nobody can win, but unless you can point to a credible head-to-head comparison between the products you’re talking about, I don’t find your comments persuasive. Nothing personal. PS -- since the OP has stated that the subs you & I mentioned will not be on his short list, I'm not sure why we're even wasting time discussing Perlisten or Velodyne at this point.
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