Subwoofer Advice


I am running a pair of Martin Logan ESL 13A speakers (24-23,000 Hz). I would have thought with two 10" woofers there would be more bas (the base level dial on the rear of the speakers doesn’t seem to cut it either).

In the past I had a pair of ML Spires (29-23,000 Hz) with only one 10" woofer that had so much base, I sold my pair of ForceField 30s. Not the case with the 13A’s.

I don’t have a lot of room, maybe 16" or so square and I was wondering about a pair of SVS Micros. Do you think they would complement the 13As or do I need something bigger?

Martin Logan has come out with a few new subs lately; do you think I should keep in the ML family?

Hoping to come in under $2K, so used is fine. Thanks all!

I should also mention I’m limited on space so placement would likely have to be on the inside or the outside of the main speakers (same back wall).

 

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@mijostyn Thank you!
Due to space limitations what’s your thoughts on placing both the subwoofers on the same side wall, ninety degrees to the main speakers? Subs are none directional, correct? So, do you think this would be OK?

@big_greg thanks for chiming in. Same question, how would I wire up the SVS Micros?

My power amp is on the same wall as my speakers, all the other components are on the side wall.

My preamp has these outlets:

1. Signal output is through two balanced XLR connectors and four unbalanced RCA connectors. The XLR pinout is identical to the input receptacles.

2. The Processor loop connectors permit the connection of an external audio device such as a surround sound processor or equalizer. Connect the output jacks to the input of the processor, and the output of the processor to the processor input jacks of the preamplifier.

 

@rikkipuu Hmm, wireless? That's interesting.

Are they easy to set up, do they come with some kind of software, or do you do the "Crawl"?

@big_greg thanks! I’m just trying to figure out my cabling first. I have 1/2 dozen BJC subwoofer cables, none of are the correct length. I will need to run 4 cables (two 8 footers & two 12 footers) from my preamp on the side wall, all around the corner to the subs that will probably be between the power amp and the speakers. BJC is closed until Tuesday and will “negotiate” with them then. Maybe I should make the cables longer though, they might sound  better on the outside of the speakers?

@rikkipuu said that his subs sounded better in the back corner of the room. I could try them wirelessly there and if they sounded better, I could start drilling holes in the walls, floors, etc.

Anyways, need some time to save up! Daughters in the last year of law school and she’s running out of money!!

By the way, have you ever played around with DSP?

@big_greg  ok, thanks for your feedback. I’m working on it. Speaking of working, have a great Labor Day!

@big_greg LOL, nothing worse than sitting at home, by yourself, on the computer looking at long weekend sales. $150 each off, plus another 5% for two SVS 3000 Micros and guess who bit...UGH!

Sending my cables to BJC tomorrow for cutting a re-termination, which will be a third of buying new.

Best part, as you said, 45-day trial, so now I’m all set.

If I don’t like it, I can still try mijostyn’s route, but hey, that’s gonna be $7 grand all in with DSP. I don’t think I can come up with that kind coin any time soon.

Thanks again for your help.

@rikkipuu Very rarely one of the wireless connection may drop and I immediately notice something is off.

With the subs behind you how do you keep a good line of site with the transmitters for the subs?

@rikkipuu, I have heard that there is a nanosecond delay, so better with movie than music. Also, the subs are recommended to be inboard of the speakers for 2 channel listening, but you found these not to work best for you. I guess every room is different.

@big_greg I did some more research on this and SVS themselves said the micros are too small for my room, so I cancelled the order.

Thanks @dancub, could you elaborate more on your Dirac Live experience?

Did you purchase hardware/software? Or, you mention online, did you use an online service? I see some people offer this like The YouTuber Pursuit of Perfect System.

 

@dancub thanks so much for your detailed and informative Response! I’ve had others tell me that this mini DSP is the cats meow. It’s just I’m kind of technically challenged with all that kinda stuff and it sounds like it’s a real pain . I’m not getting what I want out of my system either and I’ve got so much money into it. I just getting tired of spending more. But maybe I should just give this Dirac Thing a shot.

@big_greg Happy Thanksgiving Mike! Remember when I told you SVS said 2 subs were to small for my room. I was thinking, how about 4 (like you)? SVS is closed today, but I will check with them tomorrow about this. $3,000 for 4 subs is a little easier to swallow than @mijostyn ’s recommendation of the KEF subs which will run close to $10K! And another $4-5 if I go with a second DAC and DSP...SHEEHS!

@big_greg its funny SVS told me that I shouldn’t mix & match subs, at least when I suggested 2 micro 3000s and their recommended SB-2000 Pro (either 2 of 4 for my room). The SB-2000 no longer come in white, which I kinda had my heart set on!

@big_greg nope. I will call them next week, I think they’re pretty busy with all the sales going on right now and the advice seemed a little sketchy to me! Thanks