Sub for monster BASS!!!!!!

check audiogon's manufacturer's list for mfr's www's... or do a search on lycos or yahoo or hotbot or?

try a pair of vmps larger subs. paired w/a pair of used solid-state bridged amps & a good electronic x-over (like marchand, for example), these will give you clean accurate powerful bass at *way* less the cost than anything comparable. i'm a cheapskate, & this is one of the few products i bought new - still a bargain! how about down to 17hz, w/less than 0.5% thd at 95db, & less than 5% thd at 120db? and that's w/just one sub. regardless of brand, get a pair for proper 2-channel audio.

the above is yust my opinion, ymmv...

ehider, i went to legacy's www to czech out the specs for this sub - there weren't any. while i'm not saying this isn't a nice sub, at $3400, i'd hope it would be.

all that said, i have no desire to unload my vmps larger subs anytime soon - here's why: i prefer having my choice of amplification - usually far better quality than what's provided w/amps that are built-in to subs. same goes for x-overs. i also want the electronics to be located *outside* the sub - way too much wibration there for me... then there's the issue of specs - czech vmps' www -

http://www.vmpsaudio.com/

i *know* the specs of these: 17hz-250hz, +0/-3db, 92db/1w/1m w/<0.5% thd, >115db @ 20hz w/<2.5% thd. here's a quote from vmps' www:

"NASA’s Langley Research Center has purchased two Larger VMPS Subwoofers as a source of 118 dB plus, 20Hz tone bursts. The Larger Subwoofer was the only commercially available system capable of so doing."

oh, then there's that price issue - i bought a pair of vmps larger subs fully optioned, a deluxe marchand xm-9 x-over, a new adcom gfa555 (purchased years ago), a used adcom gfa555 (so i could run the amps in bridged mono for ~900wpc into the 4 ohm load of the vmps), *and* tara labs i/c's & speaker cabling, & it *all* cost less than $2400...

ymmv, doug s. ;~)

pcc,

one small correction - i *don't* own m-l's - i strongly considered the cls' but even m-l sez they will max out at 93db, even when crossed-over to subs at 100hz, which is too high a x-over point anyway, imho... while i'd be happy w/the cls' output most of the time, there are times when i wanna be able to *crank* it. thus, my next speaker purchase will prolly be the newform research nhb645's.

while i still feel the marchand xm-9, w/its 24db/octave x-over slopes & wolume pot for the x-over point as well as the low & hi-pass wolume pots, will be more than flexible enuff to mate w/m-l's, ewe may wanna consider marchand's 48db/octave x-overs...personally, i don't tink it's needed, as the vmps' are plenty tight & fast.

oh yes, while i *am* a cheepskate & got most of my equipment either used or on close-out, the subs & x-over *were* purchased brand-gnu (w/a discount, of course!) - still the best walue, even when compared to the competition at used prices! :>) the *only* sub set-up i've ever heard that equals the vmps subs were the sub towers (six 12" servo drivers/side) of the infinity irs series - now equivalent to the top-line $135k genesis speakers.

regards, doug

ps - running a pair of subs, besides allowing for more optimum placement for soundstaging & room interaction, also has the added benefit of allowing the same db-level w/even *less* thd...

yes, tireguy - size *does* matter! :>) this is one reason why i feel vmps has such excellent subs at a reasonable price - they don't try to squeeze drivers into a smaller box & then add transparency-robbing, efficiency-eating, expensive electronics to compensate, they yust use the right-sized box for the yob. yes, the vmps larger subs *are* big - w/a 12" & 15" active driver, coupled to a passive slot-loaded 15" driver, these things are ~18"x26"x39". mine are the earlier edition, meaning they're 39" tall; the latest models are basically re-oriented so they're 32" wide x23"x19". while i prefer the older orientation, ymmv, & i'd tink vmps wood make a pair for ya in the original shape if ewe prefer... or, yust buy the drivers-n-wire, & build yer own boxes to any shape ya desire (towers, perhaps?), yust insuring the internal wolume is kept the same.

also, i have a *wery* large room - ~25x38, w/openings to other rooms. if ewe have even a *normal*-sized large room, a pair of vmps' original subs will prolly be all ya need.

regards, doug s.