Ehider, I'm sure they are good but I've been in the market for subs and I have to agree with Sedond on this one. Like Sedond I do not usually buy new, why bother when you can buy a demo amp for $1,800(new 3,600) my most recent purchase. But I've checkout the vmps website and read all that was there and I've talked with the owner and vmps sounds like they know what their doing. I was insearch of a musical sub and ht all in one. Well Sedond also owns Martin Logan speakers and they are fast and difficult to mate w/subs. So I've done the research and everyone I've talked with said the way to go was separate x-over, amp and sub...... Makes sense to me. Odin mentioned the Genesis 900, I've audition this sub and it is truely a great sub and very quick, musical and used for about $900. I've thought about the Genesis 900 used, but I have a few extra $$$ to spend and I'll go with Sedonds recommendation.... I've auditioned many to mate with the ML's. Not impressed with REL's storm III... The Genesis 900 smoked the REL Storm III and for less $$$... IMHO
