Strange how many used valves measure NOS?


Finally fired up my valve tester.
All I can say is be very afraid.
Out of boxes & boxes of used valves bought on here
and ePain, most of them are crap.
I don't mind the odd chance buy being duff but some bought from here cost a fair amount and I'll be taking "measures as NOS" with the pinch of salt it deserves on ebay from now on.
There's either a lot of uncalibrated valve testers out there
or a lot of lying b------s.
I think it may be the case that some of these have been tested many moons ago by the original owners, marked up then used for a few years then the resellers think since it's marked 90/90,
it's still nos.
Bizarre, I have definite NOS 6SN7's that struggle to make 90/90.
Still it's fun to discover the occasional diamond amongst the rough.
Yes I will be getting the tester's calibration checked but having done dozens of valves and half a dozen different types, I can't see that it can be far out.
We live & learn.
simon74

Showing 2 responses by kevziek

Finally someone has had the guts to tell it like it is. Yes, there are a number of greedy tube sellers on this site that are less than scrupulous, yet have "perfect" feedback because foolish audiophiles believe the lies and misrepresentations. These same audiophiles don't know the difference, and are blissfully ignorant that they have purchased used, poorly matched, and mediocre-sounding tubes.
These same sellers go to hamfests and flea markets, picking up old, used tubes, and then pawning them off as NOS or near NOS on the innocent.

Beware of just following feedback on these tube sellers for these very reasons.

Jim McShane and Kevin Deal have very good reputations, as does Andy Bowman @ Vintage Tube Services. Some of the prices are unjustifiable, in my mind, but silly audiophiles have driven this madness this far, simply by being willing to pay these exorbitant prices.

NOS = New. A new tube will look new, 90% of the time. If you know how to look at it, you can tell JUST from that. The lettering, the base, the pins, the flashing.

I also have been told that tubes with many hours on them can measure "NOS", but their life is past the 50% mark. Eventually, a decline in the reading will plummet.

Buyer beware.
Correct. I should have mentioned this in my prior comments on NOS tubes. Just like any unused tube, there will be rejects and those that have weak or unmatched triodes, shorts, etc.

Yet, people advertise untested NOS tubes, and get good bucks for them because they are in original boxes. I see it all the time. But the flip side, and more important, is the rampant misrepresentation of tubes as NOS. Used junk, cleaned up to deceive, given altered measurements to deceive. The author of this thread himself measured numerous supposedly NOS tubes he bought, and found they didn't measure anywhere near claims. Caveat emptor.