"If it's good enough for the Fremer, it's good enough for me." didn't they sing that in Sgt. York? |
Hi Crem, could you post the article you refer to from Stereophile? or give page #? I find no such mention.
Thanks |
Now lunch at Denny's I will reject to, blanket or otherwise. If you keep eating there you'll not be around to steam or clean.... |
Wow, I think my friend will be most envious of your credentials--that sounds like fun. I love early photographs. I have a friend who does paintings from them.
Well, who knows, maybe someday if an easy to use steam cleaning machine,that I know won't melt my records,comes to market I'll be one of the first in line.
Good luck in your endeavors...
(oh, so what turntable do you have?) |
Don't throw stones at me for asking a dumb question, but do you think it the steam cleaning that you are getting good results with, or that you are in essence rinsing many times over that gets rid of any residue or fingerprint?
I ask this due to using a new cleaning fluid for me, from Audio Intelligent, that when using their fluid you can keep applying to remove more and more residue, and then eventually wash with ultra pure water, till in effect there is nothing left behind. I've used many cleaning fluids and so far this is truly the best I've used, and heard. It has sure made a believer out of me. Maybe it's the thoroughness of the process that is giving such good results in either case. |
Hi Crem, what do you mean by this?
LPS are difficult to extract that SOTA sound but when you do , by effort or chance, now that's an experience.
Hopefully you're not talking Sota turntables.... |
I do know I hear no residue when using Audio Intelligient cleaners. I think I'd rather steam clean my carpet than records.... |
Hi Crem, you're funny... and touche, I suppose...
All right then, how do you propose I hear a steamed cleaned record? If we lived in close proximity it would be worth the drive for me to hear the wonder of wonders. Or if I send you a record will you steam it for me? I'm not defending the cleaning method I'm using now, the Audio Intelligent, I'm just saying when I use it I hear nothing but the music flowing out, if it's a good recording/pressing to begin with, much much better than if I hadn't used it at all, that sort of black between the notes reviewers talk about.
I'm not against your steaming totally, it just seems like a lot of work when you have a product that seems to be doing a dandy job, why make things harder on yourself?
Plus, a friend has done some checking with the Library of Congress, who he defers to on all matters of media, seems to go contrary to your opinion, and offers their own formula for a cleaner. Again, it's not the be all end all, but maybe neither is your steaming.
And as for the golf ball, you can chide me all you want. I was warned when I got one some people would make with the cracks. So I gave a short retort. I didn't think I was attacking your steaming method. More like I was bothered by your pontification of it.
And, you didn't answer when I asked what your comment was regarding SOTA. If you're using a sota table, then we have nothing further to discuss....
good luck and take care |
Hi Mike, I know steam from a kettle or iron will burn you, and definitely make a record bend--have you ever seen those bowls-whatever they make from vinyl? A friend gave me one as a Xmas present, I wasn't that impressed. So, I'm not sure what you are using to steam with, but steam in general is fairly hot, and I wouldn't chance it on my vinyl. Maybe your steam is more like a soft mist? like a vaporizor?
Hell no to the second question, you should see some of the whacky things I have done for the quest of better sound.
I've treated boards with larch varnish for better sounding walls, I've bolted birch boards on my wood floors to give a more secure footing for my speakers, I've spent zillions of hours auditioning equipment and cables. I've tried all sorts of room treatments. I think I've done more than a little for my positive returns. lol
I'm a little younger than you.
So, do you steam or clean? Ah, I see you have a vpi cleaner. If still using, what cleaning fluids? and what have you tried?
Keep on that positive train.... |
Mike, not to derail the thread (sorry I'm not talking steam, Crem) but how are you getting on with the Shakti hallographs? |
Thanks, Johnbrown!
I'm having shirts made that says "Mikey don't steam".
(contrary to what some have tried to say)
Has anyone heard of using reverse osmosis water for a rinse? |
Crem, I think we've finally got you..... |
Love the Mapleshade steam gun, looks very 50's space movie style. Does it work as well as the others mentioned? Didn't realize how divesified the mapleshade guy was. Not happy about his use of old growth maple, though, even if he does employ the Amish to do it.
Tvad, maybe the new Coke is not the same formula, but in the olden days car collectors used coke to remove rust from chrome, first brought to my attention way back in the 70's by a marketing professor of mine, who was into vintage cars. |
Funny you.....
The marketing class I was in tried it, and it does work, or did then, for rust...can't attest to any other miracle claims...it made several of us give it up way back then, as best we could.
Maybe this has already been covered here, but seeing the Mapleshade site, and seeing their claim of the steam reaching only 140 degrees, isn't that really more like misting than actually steaming (I think of steam as very hot). Why not just warm your cleaning fluids or preferred water to 140 or so and spray? Why the need for this so-called steamer?
And, one more, has anyone actually bought and used the Mapleshade steamer? |
So how do you know that it is really going deep inside the grooves as you say? Do you think it's the mist that does that, or just liquid in general? Why not just spray your record with an atomizer...has anyone tried that and compared?
I had a small travel steamer once, really didn't work worth a damn. It was hardly more than a mister, slightly warm, nothing more. A real steamer to my mind emits steam, which is 212F, and that's hot.
I would love to have somebody with a steamer try just spritzing their lp with the same amount of fluid they think they would administer with a "steamer" and report in.
Also, why does no one seem to own a Mapleshade steamer? No one seems to have said so on this thread.
Crem, since you seem to be in league with them, do you own one, why or why not?
Thanks and take care! |
Thanks Mike, I experiment all the time, but such things cost money. And since you and others already have your steamers, I thought somebody could try it and see if warm misting would have the same affect. With an RCM, people close to me already had one, I watched, then listened, then bought. I'm not going to invest in something I'm not sure about, at least not at this time.
When I run out of my ultra pure water, I might take a B list lp and try the aqanuanafineanuna or whatever some call it and see on one side of the lp if it's the same as the other with the ultra pure. That type of experiment I'll gladly do and report back in.
Has anyone tried using a tea kettle that has a steam spout? or is real steam too hot? if it'd work at least it be cheap and easy to try.
Thanks for the input. Get experimenting... |
