Speaker wire is it science or psychology


I have had the pleasure of working with several audio design engineers. Audio has been both a hobby and occupation for them. I know the engineer that taught Bob Carver how a transistor works. He keeps a file on silly HiFi fads. He like my other friends considers exotic speaker wire to be non-sense. What do you think? Does anyone have any nummeric or even theoretical information that defends the position that speaker wires sound different? I'm talking real science not just saying buzz words like dialectric, skin effect capacitance or inductance.
stevemj

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Stevemj: You're not off-base. Cables are not directional and can't be for audio, specifically for the reasons you described. The conductors have to pass current equally well in either direction.

Nilthepill: Why would the switching cause "some dilution?" Do you own a sound system with no switching? With no contacts? All junctions soldered from source to speaker drivers? I doubt it. With good switches, you don't get "dilution."
Detlof: I'm not clear on what you're saying. Do you actually listen to two DUTs simultaneously? What was your "blind" testing setup?
Garfish: Why do you believe that trying to understand audio technology precludes music appreciation? Understanding how things like wires work can help prevent you from ascribing non-existant characteristics to them, because your senses, or how you perceive what your senses tell you, can be misled by your expectations.
Detlof: Thank you for the clarification. How closely did you match the levels on the preamps, and many trials did you do?
Garfish: We're in agreement on the need for enjoyment. I like to get as much musical enjoyment from audio equipment as I can, too. Listening to music is almost as much fun as making music. But if I can get the same level of high performance and enjoyment for X dollars instead of 20X dollars, I know I'm going to hold on to 19X dollars, because there are other things in life I like to do, too. That's my sensibility; other people can have theirs, however much they differ. It's a free country. I enjoy driving my car, and if I have a choice between a Shell station selling gas for $1.60 a gallon and a posh, gilded station selling gas for $18 a gallon and serving free cappuccino, my choice is already made, and I don't care if I'm giving up the snob appeal of the more expensive gas.
Steve, Tom Nousaine published a very interesting article in Sound & Vision detailing the results of blind tests of speaker cables. He had audiophile listeners compare 16 AWG zip cord to their own chosen brand/model of speaker cable, in their own homes, on their own systems, with their own chosen playback source and media. He gave the listeners a choice between ABX switching and cable-swap (scored as same-different) methods (except the last listener; for her, he used both ABX and the cable-swap method because the others had chosen ABX). No time limits; in fact, he let the listeners warm up and practice so they would become as comfortable as possible with the tests. A minimum of 10 trials per listener. None of the listeners, despite their high opinions of their own hearing prowess, could correctly identify the cables they were listening to a statistically significant number of times: in comparing the zip cord to a set of T1 bi-wires, one listener guessed correctly 3 out of 10 times, which is within the likely range of results that would arise from just guessing or flipping a coin. Another listener's results were 4 out of 10; again, within the range of strictly chance.

In short, the listeners were asked to prove that they could indeed hear audible differences between the cables, and none succeeded.

Regarding ABX: Some may allege that rapid A-B switching "hides" real differences. That's one vague assertion! My opinion is to the contrary: it allows the closest thing to actual side-by-side comparison possible in audio. Obviously we can't listen to two things simultaneously and judge between them; the best we can do is put the same audio through both DUTs, match the levels, and freely switch between them as needed to make the comparison.