Brskie, that is true, in terms of Tidal. VImberg will be at more dealers and they are a separate franchise.
We are talking with Wynn Audio to be the New York/NJ representative for Vimberg.
We would then have Legacy, Paraigm, Kef, and Vimberg as our top loudspeaker brands and would give us an advantage in being able to showcase more of the affordable models under one roof.
Dave and Troy
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Mepstein,
The Wilsons will match better sonically with the Origins which also use a soft dome tweeter.
However, for a match with home theater both speakers should work.
The othe puzzlement is that these speakers are all diferent price points, the Sasha DAW are $37k the Yvettes $25k the Focals Sopra are usually $20k for the comparable model to the Wilson.
Did you hear each speaker with the same gear? If not how do you know if you are really loving the speaker of the setup?
The Focals are exceptional in terms of offering a bit more detail and overall clarity without brightness.
Wilson are very musical but are a bit more laid back vs the Focals.
If I were you I would not limit myself to anything.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ |
Mepstein, neither the WIlsons or the Focals' will 100% synergize with your Origins.
We have been doing surround sound for over 30 years, if matching your origins is a priority, then the Wilsons will be a much closer sonic match, as their tweeter is also a soft dome, so at least they are in the same family.
Did you hear both of these speakers on Mcintosh gear?
The Mcintosh gear tends to be rolled off in the treble vs other brands of electronics which are more neutral, Mcintosh products mirror a more tube like presentation, which would favor the pairing with the Focals whose Beryilium tweeter does show more detail than the Wilsons, but then you are less close to matching the Origins.
If you are doing surround sound the most important loudspeaker is the center channel, the rest of the loudspeakers for back or surrounds the Origins will still work no matter which main speakers are chosen.
WIlsons tend to image better with a more holographic presentation than the Focals which throw a wide but less specific soundstage.
Personally we would recommend that you keep looking and not limit yourself to just these two companies.
We heard some speakers at Axpona that combine many of the traits of both of these speakes in a somewhat similar price point.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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Sfseay, Wilson speakers the current iterations are sounding way better than previous generations, so really don't understand your comment.
We are concerned that the OP's Mac gear will not sound optimum on the Wilson's which tend to sound a bit more mellow in the top end vs the Focals.
The new Focals are very good, they still have a few issues but overall Focal's latest speakers are really good and the new Beryilum tweeters are really excellent.
We would think the Focals greater detail would be better with the softer sound of the Mcintosh gear.
This is why we are recomending the Vimbergs fantastic imaging like the Wilson with superb detail.
Dave and TroyAudio Doctor NJ not a dealer for any of the speakers under discussion.
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Rbstehn, we were Usher dealers for quite a number of years the BE 10 and BE 20 were excellent, they would be outclassed by some of the newer loudspeakers currently on the market but boy were they good for the time. Part of the issue was the speakers size and weight.
Personally would take a set of Focal 3 over the BE 10 or 20 which would still give you lower bass response, but the newer Focal tweeter is a better overall transducer then the Usher's DMD tweeter.
Dave and TroyAudio Doctor NJ
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mpstein there is no issue with Mac powering Wilsons, Mac will power any speaker, the issue is sonic matching.
With Mcintosh the Focals or Ushers would sound more lively.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ |
Alpha, these are all good points however, your electronics might have favored the Wilsons over the Focal Lascala.
Also the Focals of today sound way better then the earlier versions of these speakers same with the Wilsons.
It is also possible that you might have been able to get the Focal's to sound better but that would have meant you were charmed enough with some of their sonic attributes to make a few changes with cabling, sources or electronics.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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enjoy the new Daw they are the best Wilsons we have heard in a long time. What will you be using for the rest of the system?
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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Carey the Wilson and the Rockports are both excellent loudspeakers.
The new DAW do seem to sound way better than previous versions, we have never been big WIlson Fans, the DAW at Axpona in one room with ARC was a fantastic setup, the room was very long which really helped.
The Rockports were in a couple of room but all of these rooms were much smaller.
Previously felt that the Wilsons did not have the uber resolution that we tend to like. The Rockports do seem to have a bit more detail. Both speakers produce excellent bass with a bit more lower bass boom in the Wilsons.
The best speakers for the money at Axpona was the new Vimbergs from Tidal. They were amazing, huge sound stage. deep bass, totally three dimensional, the most realistic portrayal of a piano at the entire show was with the Vimbergs, to us they felt like a blend of the best of both of th3 Wilsons and the Rockports speakers you can also get them with a pure diamond tweeter, this is the world’s best high frequency transducer, smooth yet detailed.
Before I would purchase anything I would seek out a pair.
Tidal is known for extraordinary attention to detail and superb craftsmanship.
One interesting tidbit is Jeff Fritz from Sound stage moved from Rockport to the Tidal Vimbergs for his new listening room.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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Fleschler, an active speaker is always going to be easy to drive vs any conventional passive loudspeaker.
The Vinberg sounded better than the Kyara at Axpona, and costs less. it was hard to really gauge the Kyara at Axpona vs the Vimbergs because the rooms were so different but our experience with hearing Lumenwhite at various shows they sounded very good, but not as amazing sounding as the Vimbergs, the setup at Axpona with the Vimbergs was extraordinary.
Other than the image height, the Vimbergs were the match of any of the really expensive loudspeakers at the show.
Even though the Vimberg and Lumenwhites are very similar loudspeakers in terms of drivers, totally different crossover designs and cabinet construction in terms of pricing the Vimbergs are less expensive and their are two different sized versions for different sized rooms.
The smaller Mimo at $29k would be ideal for your size room.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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Frostdotcomm,
The newer Wilson’s are quite good and are way more musical then earlier versions of the speakers.
However,
The Focal tweeter is both smooth and detailed especially in the latest versions, they have more air and upper octave presence than the Wilsons, the lastest EVO series also has a stunning midrange.
So if you lean towards greater clarity with a less defined soundstage Focal
If you lean towards more warmth in the midrange, less upper octave air, a bigger soundstage, with a bit more focused image Wilson.
Personally we would not go with the Sonus or the Vandersteen over either of these speakers.
The Sonus sound like a better cabineted Wilson without the exciting presentation, and the Vandys are just too laid back without the detail or excitiement of either the Wilsons or the Focals.
For the record we sell none of the above.
We did hear the latest Sonus and The Vandy Quattro CT and the Vandy 7 at the Axpona,
The Wilson's sounded fantastic, the Sopras were good, the Focal Evo Grande Utopias were amazing if the current smaller Scalas sound like a smaller Grande Utopia that is one hell of a loudspeaker and way better than the older versions as we've said before the Vimbergs were also extremely impressive.
Dave and Troy
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