speaker impeadance question


Hi everyone, 

Out of curiosity I was playing around with the 4 and 8 ohm taps on my Mcintosh MC601 mono blocks last night. I currently use Sonus Faber Olympica iii speakers which have a nominal impedance of 4 ohms. I have run them on 4 ohm from day one (non bi-wired), but I was quite surprised to hear that there is a very distinct difference in SQ (positive) moving from the 4 ohm taps to the 8 ohm. So after doing a little digging I was able to find the impedance plot for the speaker and according to the plot I can see why they are rated at 4 ohm but what I don't understand is why they sound so much better at 8 ohm. What I am concerned about is the huge spike at 3khz ..see link below:

https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1285:nrc-meas...

So I thought I would throw this out on the forum to see what you guys think in regards to using the 8 ohm taps based on this plot. 

Thanks in advance

-Keith
barnettk

Showing 4 responses by audiokinesis

" What I am concerned about is the huge [impedance] spike at 3khz..." 

Notice that this impedance spike (which is closer to 2.5 kHz) corresponds with a frequency response dip, when driven by whatever voltage-paradigm amp the NRC uses. So an amp like your McIntosh, which is more of a power-paradigm amp (outputs constant wattage rather than constant voltage) fills in that frequency response dip somewhat. This is a really nice synergy.

Duke

Erik wrote:

"What huge spike [in the impedance curve]??

"That’s very typical for a speaker with a 2 way crossover. What I’m impressed with is how flat the rest of the speaker impedance curve is."

The impedance curve can matter a great deal when it comes to matching amplifiers and speakers. Most amps approximate a constant voltage source (and most speakers are designed for that) but many tube amps (including McIntosh) approximate a constant power source; that is, the wattage they put out doesn’t change much as the speaker’s impedance changes.

Over most of its range that speaker’s impedance looks like about 5 ohms, but then between say 1.5 kHz and 3 kHz the average is more like about 12 ohms.

If the amp approximates a constant voltage source, then assuming 1 watt into 5 ohms, it will only be putting about .42 watts into 12 ohms.

But if the amp approximates a constant power source, when it’s putting 1 watt into 5 ohms it is also putting approximately 1 watt into 12 ohms.

The SPL difference between .42 watts into 12 ohms, and 1 watt into 12 ohms, is about 3.8 decibels. This is enough to spoil the frequency response OR - in this case - enough to fix it!

You see, the measurements show the Olympia III to have a roughly 3 dB dip centered between 1.5 kHz and 3 kHz.

(In the real world, the actual SPL difference between the two amplifier types would probably be less than the math in this post predicts, because in the real world amps don’t quite behave as true voltage sources nor true power sources. BUT the trend described above is valid in my experience, and explains why sometimes tube amps get blamed for bad sound when the real culprit is poor amp/speaker matching.)

Duke

"I’m afraid I must offer another correction, this being a matter of considerable significance... It was actually a different character, "Emily Litella," who concluded her commentary on Saturday Night Live with the words "never mind." " 

Well, it just goes to show you. It’s always something.

@almarg wrote: " I believe some of them have been made without the realization that the OP’s monoblock amps are solid state." 

Oops. 

As Roseanna Roseannadanna would say: "Well... nevermind." 

Duke