Speaker Analysis for Armchair Critics


Hello everyone,
There’s a very important discipline called "Speaker Analysis" or "Speaker Testing" which though complicated, is brilliantly illustrated in this breakdown of the B&W 685.


http://www.audioexcite.com/?page_id=6070

Speaker analysis is to measure each of the components both separately and as they come together in a complete system. It is a part of creating a new loudspeaker, but it can also be used to analyze an existing speaker, to understand it and perhaps to make it better.  I prefer the term Analysis because it better reflects that the goal is not merely quality assurance, but to build a complete electro acoustical understanding of the system as a whole so changes can be considered, and their final results predicted.


This particular article does just that, and comes up with a couple of suggestions for re-working the crossover to end up with hopefully a better end result. At the very least, it is a significantly different speaker at the end, and achieves a far greater level of change than cables can.


I share this with all of you just as an example of the work that goes into making a loudspeaker from parts, and the tools, and how much of what we hear has to do with choices made in the crossover.


Best,

Erik
erik_squires

Showing 12 responses by kenjit

I agree with the direction of all of the changes the author made. I probably would have reduced the output of the tweeter in the crossover region even more that he did, to partially offset its excess off-axis energy at the bottom end of its passband.
Yes. B&W must have made a silly mistake and overlooked that. 
This particular article does just that, and comes up with a couple of suggestions for re-working the crossover to end up with hopefully a better end result.


What gives him the ability to do better than B&W could do? Are you suggesting B&W dont understand how to do crossovers?

Its all a matter of opinion in the end. There is no such thing as a better crossover, only one that is tuned to your ears. 

I would suggest that 6db with 4khz notch is hardly optimum. 
So the B&W X-over could be improved IMO.
by swapping the parts for ones that cost a few dollars more? 
Only the capacitance value is used in the filter design. No hocus pocus hogwash. 

Erik, have you checked your filter design is adequate to avoid cone breakup? I heard you were doing 6db slopes
It's all a matter of opinion. There is no best. There is no speaker design. That's why we have such a large number of speakers out there. Nobody knows what they're doing. 
Past that, it also helps to explain how a brand can develop their signature sound.
There is no signature sound its a myth. 
They don’t have a signature?


So what makes a DIY speaker made by a novice who has no degree, no knowledge and no experience, less good than a speaker made by a true speaker designer if in the end its just a matter of a particular signature and theres no right or wrong signature?


The most important point to remember is:

THERE ARE NO RULES IN SPEAKER DESIGN. 

Revel thinks even dispersion from top to bottom is best but clearly, many speakers fail to meet this goal. We also do not know whether speakers measure the way they do intentionally or by chance. The measurements too are not infallible. Some designers think mdf is good enough, others disagree. Some may deliberately make their cabinets sing along with the music. You have opened a can of worms here you dont know what youre getting yourself into. 

Speaker design is a mishmash of ideas with a bit of hogwash for good measure. 



What people don't seem to understand is that if you use DSP, you could have a dozen different crossovers that you could switch between in a split second and literally be an armchair crossover designer. A passive crossover designer would take many hours just to figure out one design! I kid you not. 
And how DSP working out for you in your non-existent system ?
better than passive 
I dont see any proof that there is a signature sound. Surely the burden of proof is on the person making a claim?

What do the above two statements mean - specifically? No round about silliness with diversionary ramblings switching the subject

Speaker design has no rules. I am arguing against what Erik squires says. he says 

Speaker analysis is to measure each of the components both separately and as they come together in a complete system. It is a part of creating a new loudspeaker, but it can also be used to analyze an existing speaker, to understand it and perhaps to make it better.  

His opinion is that there is some method and expertise involved in speaker design. I claim that in practice this is false because even though there are many ideas about for example what cabinet material to use and what polar response is best, in the end after all the analysis, there is no consensus. We dont know what the designers intended goal was and whether it has been reached and if so, intentionally or by chance. 
The analysis is all wrong anyway because it doesn't involve the end user who is the most important person in the process of the design not the designer. Its all to do with custom tuning to your ears. A lot of these designers are not doing controlled tests and analyses. I heard that Revel do blind tests which is a start. But what about all the other speaker companies? Why don't they publish their distortion figures and frequency response if they are so confident? Do not be duped. 



which is why you need to stop tinkering with these horrible passive crossovers