Spatial Audio Raven Preamp


Spatial is supposed to be shipping the first "wave" from pre orders of this preamplifier in May, does anyone have one on order? Was hoping to hear about it from AXPONA but I guess they were not there. It's on my list for future possibilities. It seems to check all my boxes if I need a preamp.

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Hello,

It is known that tube amplifier hisses. Wonder if the Raven is dead silent?

Thanks.

 

Hello,

It is known that tube amplifier hisses. Wonder if the Raven is dead silent?

Thanks.

 

Hello,

Perhaps new owners of the Raven preamp can share this information?

Thanks.

 

wsrrsw and terrapin77,

Thank you. 

That's assuring. That is one Raven for me.

 

 

 

wsrrsw,

 

I have been following this thread for a while and the reviews of the Raven and Blackbirds are very good or excellent. It will pair with Clayton's Caladan.

 

 

 

Hello Don and Lynn,

Thank you for your additional info regarding the Raven and Blackbirds.

I have placed an order for the Raven preamp, with Linlai 6SN7 tubes, cherry finish. It will be build in the next manufacturing cycle and delivery date is expected in November/December.

I am looking forward to listening to the Raven in my set-up. The Caladans is 93dB sensitivity into 4 ohms. I can only imagine it is very very good sounding, given all that has been said about it.

BTW, given that the Raven has such good noise rejection components, is it necessary to use audiophile grade power cord in place of the stock power cord that is supplied with it? Just curious.

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Don,

Thank you very much for your advice.

I will ask David (Spatial Audio).

Regards.

 

Hello Folks,

I received my Raven a few weeks ago and I now have about 50 hours on it. I want to share my listening joy of the Raven. Caveat: I don't write very well and hence may not be able to describe with the right choice of words.

My setup is as follows:

Laptop and Yamaha CDS 700 player (transport only) into Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC into Schiit Lokius EQ into Schiit Loki Max EQ into Raven preamp into Schiit Tyr Monoblocks. XLR interconnects throughout. Digital coax cable Belden 1694A. Schiit PYST Straight Wire USB AB cable. Speakers Clayton Shaw OB Caladans 93dB. Power cords Anticables Level 3. Interconnects Snake Oil Sound XLRs and SEs. Speaker wires Anticables Level 3.1.

The Caladans OB speakers have about 400 hours on it and placed 5 feet away from the back wall and about 20 inches from the side wall, slightly towed in. Listening spot is about 9 feet from the speakers.

The EQs are used to cut bass response and this tightens the bass (I like it). It is by-passed if not required. The equipment is plugged into 2 surge protectors (4 power cords on each surge protector).  No power conditioners or regenerators or other fancy expensive exotic power cords or interconnects or speaker wires (I would rather use the money to buy the Blackbirds Mono Blocks or other good equipment).

The Raven is fitted with Ray Tube Reserve 6SN7.

2) My other setup is using the Yamaha AS2100 integrated amplifier (used as a preamp, SE) into Schiit Tyr Mono Blocks. All else in the chain is the same.

3) There is no room treatment. Just gypsum drywall, a few pots of indoor plants and paintings. Living room measures 25ft (L), 13 ft (W), 8ft (H) It is L shaped. I don't hear any echo when we speak in the room. 

Both set ups (the Raven and Yamaha AS2100 integrated amplifier) are very good: there is clarity, accuracy, excellent vocals, and tight bass (can tell a bass guitar, double bass, kick drum). With about 50 hours on the Raven, this setup however sounded more natural, a lovely smoothness, more musically pleasing, clarity without the hard edge. It just sounds just right and real. For some recordings, I hear a different sound presentation that I think should be the correct sound of the instrument. The vocals are really really good, with the right texture (especially CDs with very good recordings). Both male and female vocals are exceptional eg Nat King Cole, Karen Carpenter. Jazz and classical recordings sounded superb.  The sound of the piano is so real (of course not like the sound of an actual piano in the room but close).

Opera female vocals in Mozart's composition - Le nozze di Figaro - Canzonetta sull'aria on the Raven is so good I cannot find the words to describe it. The Raven is able to control the high pitch without breaking and sounded just right. You cannot hear anything else in the background, just her vocals. It is so good that I replayed the same track a few times over and over and yet my ears felt so good. The Yamaha AS2100 is also able to do it but somehow the Raven is just so natural and sounded better. That's how good the Raven is.

This Raven set up is also able to handle superbly Sand's Airlock (Still Born Alive album 2001 Track 1 - noise genre). This is a very complex but opulent recording. Yes, it is all noise but beautiful noise that carries you away, over 6 minutes of it. Love it when the air valve is turned off towards the end of the recording. I think few set ups can handle this piece of recording well. It was really noise sounding before I got the Caladans and Raven.

I really cannot comprehend what soundstage, depth, separation, air, fast bass, music floating in the air, and many other terms that are described by other audiophiles in forums.

All I know is the sound of the Raven is just right.

Cheers

 

Hi jc4659,

Thank you. It is a very nice set up. Yes, I cannot comprehend those terms, like layered. What makes the music layered? Fast bass, what is fast? Anyway, I don't analyze but only listen and enjoy the music. 

The Yamaha AS2100 integrated is already very good - clarity, accuracy and detailed. But the addition of the Tyrs made the music sounded better and livelier. For example, Chopin's Nocturne in C Minor, one can hear the immediate impact of the hammer hitting on the piano cords and decay with the Tyrs. Now with the Raven paired with the Tyrs, it is even better sounding. According to Jason Stoddard of Schiit, the Tyrs has a huge choke (old school) not capacitors to store power for transient needs and reduce ripple (technically I don't understand this) but the sound coming from the Tyrs tells me it is very good - power and control. According to a contributor in the Tyr forum, the Tyr's performance is at the dartZeel NHB 108 level. I have never heard the sound of the dartZeel but the price tells you something. US$53,000 2022. The Tyr is good enough for me.

One caveat on the Tyrs - some experience a hum. Mine had a very low hum and hiss when I first got it (ears 1 inch away from the tweeter and woofer drivers). I checked with Schiit and was told it is normal for an amplifier with this power. Anyway, after a few months, the hum was gone, with only a very very low hiss (white noise?), audible when I place my ear an inch away from the tweeter. Silent when I moved away. I guess it got burned in. For details and reviews on Tyr, check their website. Read the FAQs. Brings a smile on a not so good day.

Cheers

Hello Lynn and Don,

Thank you very much for your work on the Raven (and the Blackbirds). I wish am better with words.

I went down this path of upgrading my toys, initially from a laptop, Schiit Modi 2 DAC, Yamaha CA410 amp and a pair of bookshelf speakers to this present set up. The upgrades were very satisfying, with very good improvements initially. As I move up the chain, the improvement was subtle (law of diminishing returns) but there was sonic refinement with each upgrade. This hobby has no end to upgrades - just to let you know.

The Raven is truly a refinement. It sounded different and I like the sound. I would love the Raven to pair with the Blackbirds (I believe there would be synergy between the two) but I have to find the space to place it in the set up. And also to take turns at the Luxury Budget Committee and the approval from the chairwoman. Sigh. But yeah, it is a joy to listen to the Raven, set up and the Caladans.

Cheers

I have always preferred solid state amps over tubes because most of the time when I listened to tube amps (friends and at retailers), it sounded veiled, without the nice clarity of the top end. But the Raven changed my perception. Not only is the Raven very good on the top end but sounded real and a kind of lovely smoothness. Just right.

Hello Lynn,

It is your (and Don's) detailed explanation of the technology used on the Raven and Blackbirds that helped me to decide on the Raven. I learned so much and had a better understanding about tubes, and transformers now.

Lynn,

Thank you for the advice - always turn on preamps before power amps, and always turn off power amps first (and wait a little while) before turning off source components.

Hello yyzsantabarbara,

Thank you. Lots of good amplifiers out there to choose from. The Raven is perhaps one of my better decisions made to add on to my joy of listening to music.

Please share your experience with the Raven when you get it.

Cheers

Hello jc4659,

I have replied to your message a few days ago. I hope you received it.

Thank you.