@kosst_amojan There is another world out there beyond even high end home audio and you might be right to call it totally crazy but explosive it is https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M2X6jisRSk8 This studio was built only a few years ago and is similar in setup to Mark Knopfler’s studio. Those are 15 inch woofers - all of them! And that delivers up to 121 db SPL continuous at 0.3% THD. Surprisingly, the low volume performance is even lower in distortion - so big and powerful can play incredible detail too. These drivers all get broken in at the factory with a serious stress test https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEBICv7QPDM |
@koost_amojan Your Focal 936 are excellent but 3 x 6.5 inch woofers with 1 inch voice coil and 4mm Vmax simply do not compare to a typical pro 15 inch woofer with 3 or 4 inch voice coil and 10 mm Vmax. In surface area alone, one 15 inch woofer is roughly equivalent to all six of your woofers and this larger surface area coupled with the greater linear excursion from a huge motor and also combined with a much larger box means up to four times more air and about eight times more SPL power. The large voice coil also dissipates heat much more effectively than a tweeter sized voice coil. This translates also to higher SPL and dynamics. There is a very noticeable difference from the mostly upper bass that you hear from your speakers - you really feel the kick drum on a big speaker - a kind of room air compression much more like the sound of a real 24" kick drum. |
@kosst_amojan I agree a lot has changed in the market - Meyer, Nexo and Funktion One make great gear for PA. IMHO EAW Anya has the best portable array system currently for stadiums. These days, it is as much about an easily setup and controlled computerized adaptive sound management system as it is high quality transducers. Anya from EAW is the most impressive I have heard - it turns lousy venues into qood to excellent acoustics. Incredible ability to tune the sound in all directions. It is just Buellrider97 specifically mentioned the sound from the Supertramp tour as being something he has been looking for. Supertramp like Pink Floyd were very careful about sound quality. Crime of the Century MFSL version is probably the most dynamic range pop album ever released! Supertramp were famous for their live sound too and especially the bass response. That said not much has actually changed in terms of low distortion and high SPL. It simply takes lots of clean power and very expensive good quality drivers (large motors, large underhung voice coils and large woofers with high Xmax). At that time, the ATC 12 inch driver was the best in the entire PA market. Other large PA speaker manufacturers no doubt copied ATC higher performance designs (and made them at lower cost) and meanwhile ATC continued improving their design far beyond what is necessary for a PA setup and entered the high end studio market (where users were willing to pay for costly incremental performance improvements at high SPL for their showcase Main Monitors) So to summarize, my last two comments are really directed at Buellrider97 and I am not suggesting anyone start building there own speakers to achieve "explosive dynamics" - although that is probably the cheapest solution!!! +2 Hddg - large Tannoy is another good option. |
@buellrider97 Consider your journey to capture that sound forever is now over. For a fact, Supertramp went on tour with their own gear - custom speakers using ATC drivers (same as Pink Floyd on tour, Genesis ’78 Trick of the Tail tour). All you need do is find some large ATC speakers with 12 or 15 inch woofers. I believe 12 inch (PA75-314) was what Supertramp and others used. High explosive levels with ultra low distortion. The studio version of that driver is even higher performance. |
@bondmanp +1 Good observation. This is why large studio main monitors are all built into walls so they behave like an infinite baffle. Studio main monitors are exactly what "explosive dynamics" is about - they are designed to impress the hell out of a bunch of musicians and producers - a pretty tough audience to impress as these folks are in and around music daily. My speakers have a gently curved wide front baffle and definitely disappear completely despite their massive size - incrementally more than the big box versions of my speaker that I have owned in the past and which like to be mounted in a wall. Audio Physics disappear and so do most narrow baffle speakers but it is rare to find a design that houses 15 inch or larger woofers in a massive box (design requirements which are absolutely necessary for "explosive dynamics".) Audio physics sound great but get tuckered out and sound flat and strained at quite modest volumes. Soundstage tests some speakers to 95 db SPL (which is hardly explosve) but Soundstage readily admit that most speakers can't even handle even 95 DB SPL and many would self destruct at these modest levels (hardly high fidelity but nobody seems to mind as long as the speakers look cool) |
