Sound and music


Forgetting about the sound of our systems for a moment, there is a larger question of how sound by itself integrates into our appreciation and comprehension of music. Those notes written by composers have no really significant meaning unless physically heard. 
 How much of a part does the sensual  aspect of music play in its apprehension, and what part does the stringing of those notes together play? A musician can read a score and visualize ( or audio-ize) the meaning of the music but without the physical sound how much is missing?  
 This has significance in the debate over how one listens to a system: for the sound or for the music.

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@rvpiano

Perhaps you and I define "really significant meaning" differently.

It seems to me you might as well assert that poetry in the mind of the poet is only significant if printed on a page.

A melody arising in the mind of a composer, songwriter or Jazz improvisor has a life of its own. The elements comprising its structure -- intervals, use of space, rhythms, etc. -- possess inherent qualities that have the power to affect and modify physiology, emotions and mental states. While we tend to focus upon the larger aspects of structure -- an entire melody rather than its constituent intervals, for example -- it is those particular elements, occurring moment to moment that are modifying our physiology, emotions and mental state, whether recognized or not.

Perhaps this is more evident to those of us who play instruments.

For example, when playing a guitar solo over a progression, whether in a room with other players or at home to a recording, my experience has been that at a certain point, I’m hearing melodies and reacting to them milliseconds before playing them; it’s as if the music is playing me, or as the Dead put it, "the music plays the band". At such times, I feel the impact of the melody before it rings out into the air and strikes the ear-drums and its’s impossible to pull apart the emotion from the elements of pitch, intervals, rhythmic aspects etc.

Perhaps there exists no corollary for those who do not play but consider this: as a listener, If you hear a melody on a recording and later "re-play" it in your head, does it lose its "significance"?

I don’t know how relevant any of this might be in the context of audio.

@rvpiano 

Is there music without sound? I don't know the answer to this. Can a melody arise in the mind of a child who has never heard music? I suspect it can. Is the melody not a melody in the split second before it is vocalized by the child? I don't know. All I can say is that is that I mistrust the assumption that it is not. 

@rvpiano 

It's only just occurred to me that it is one thing for a child who has never heard music to "hear" a melody in their head and and another for a child born deaf to do so. A child who has never heard music will most likely have heard the sound of birds, for example. 

@mahgister 

I suspect this physiological/vibrational aspect tends to be overlooked in western culture!  

@rvpiano 

But even so, if these notes are not heard it is not music as we know it

 

Well; we can agree to disagree. ;o)

BTW, I am not a purely improvising player -- I was referring to playing an improvised solo during a tune that has both a melody and set chord changes. 

@mahgister 

I'm afraid your latest post is way over my head!  

I'm not familiar with affordance theory but will look it up. Perhaps that will help me begin to grasp what you are describing.

That talking drum video is very impressive in terms of the sheer variety of timbres and pitches the drum master is able to draw from that instrument.