SOTA table owners- getting upgraded


I have an older Star Sapphire version II which I bought new back in 1986 and subsequently upgraded with a III platter. In 1999 I put it into storage when moving to London and got it out earlier this year. I thought about getting a VPI Scout but ended up sending the table to SOTA to have the springs upgraded and while there, had the platter bearing replaced, the sub-chassis stiffened and dampened and purchased a Cosmos composite armboard. The motor, the original pabst, and the vacuum checked out fine.

I use the table with a SME V and a AT OC-9 cartridge. Man, what a difference these mods have made. Speed stability has improved as the hanging turntable no longer wobbles all over the place due no doubt to the new springs. The table's background noise is now so low that music comes out from a black and quiet background. Soundstaging and clarity have likewise seen substantial increases. If you have an older SOTA, I highly recommend these changes to your table.
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NONE!!Take it off,and keep the platter clean,with a make-up brush.The intermat will only dull down the sound.
YES!!!!!!! So long as you have the "VINYL FORMULA" platter top!The only way to have the interface is to have the LP contact the actual platter top.
Cello,I meant the PC from pump to table.Though a good PC is better for the wall to pump,as well,but the SHOCK to me,and my pal,was when we tried the pump to table connection.It was a significant improvement.Why?I really don't know,other than the stock one stinks.
BTW,Larry--I have my table plugged into a PS Audio Ultimate outlet,on a dedicated line.The PC's STILL help.My pal,since he has no dedicated line,uses a P-300,to great effect,and here the better PC's also help.A good line,as you know,is always important.

Now when can I expect my Schroeder review?
At LAST!!

I have felt for years,that the COSMOS was an underpriced and fabulous product.With the Boddinet's as owners,you can't go wrong!!
SO,LARRY---When am I going to get the Schroeder review,that you promised me?No excuses!!!

Also---IMO,regarding the SOTAS(COSMOS in particular),there really is no way to make the comment that one designer's product line is better than another.Unless there is an A/B comparison.It really isn't fair to make claims to the contrary.

There are some fabulous designs out,now!The only ones I am a bit suspicious of(which means nothing,BTW,as I'm just a hobbyist)are the very pricey products,that some reviewers latch on to,and help to drive their sales(as well as to rationalize pricing).Many of these designs are wonderful,but some are short lived(remember Forsell)and compared to a good number of more responsibly priced products,like the new COSMOS III,Teres and some of the VPI's I've heard,don't really set any "Real" new standards.Their owners do get the benefit of the "Rolex watch syndrome",but that's ok with me!!
Clio-9,glad you are so happy.You'll be even happier in the near future.As for the SOTAS of today's manufacturing,the prices,for the materials employed,as well as the newer,much higher level of fit and finish,not to mention rediculously good performance,are extremely well priced!Also,to me this is very important,the ownership is very sensitive to customer satisfaction,and will do cartwheels to satisfy.Best of luck!

NOW FOR A LITTLE EXTRA TIDBIT!!!---I hope NRCHY reads this!
If you get rid of the generic PC that connects the pump/power supply,and upgrade it to a really good one(Both I and my friend did this together)you WILL get a significant increase in overall performance.I have mentioned this to SOTA,but they want to keep prices in check.I spent 400 bucks for a custom,all silver(I'm NOT saying it has to be silver,that is what my custom cable guy felt was best,here).I gave the responsibility of finding a custom supplier to my pal,so I forgot who did the work,but believe me,it is NOT my imagination.Best regards!BTW--Use of Black Diamond Racing cones,under pump,helps in my set-up,and my pal's.
Nrchy,I don't think you need to go as far as Purist.I think it may be too pricey!As stated,our umbilicals were 400 each,so keep this in mind,as cords can be expensive.

Also,when you speak to Kirk,mention Sirspeedy.He'll know who I am,and my prediliction for his talents.
The only reason SOTA wants the mat in use is because if the platter is not kept clean,you can get noise on the vinyl,from the vacuum pressure.This is not a problem,if you are good in keeping the platter clean.

As for the sound,I have had multiple Sotas over the years.My pals,also have had quite a few.What can I say.If you don't want to go bare,fine.The sound to ALL of my audio group,and myself is a BIG improvement going bare.

Think about it.The bare platter is SOTA's proprietary material,that supposedly mates with the vinyl to form a massive interface.Why would an intermat protect that interface?It only slightly softens the sound,and does not have the dynamics,and resolving capability of the "CORRECT" interface,which must be bare,for the "vinyl formula" platter top to do it's magic!We have compared,multiple times on a very high res set-up,and there is no contest!Sorry to disagree,but you're off on this one.Best wishes!
Larry,I was kidding.I love pain,or I would not be so intrenched in this hobby!Also,who are the other 10?Kind of reminds me of when I was a kid,my friend wouldn't finish his dinner.His mom said"do you know how many people in China are starving"?He then replied---"name one"!I still remember how much that tickled me.Now "FRIGGIN TICKLR ME" with your promise,of a review/comparison w/2.2!Things like family vacations(this time of year),and other expenses should be secondary to the pushing of the audio envelope!Am I serious?Well since you have claimed to be a bit dry(but your a good guy anyway),I'll let you decipher that one.Best regards,and enjoy the HEAT(no tubes for you,in FLA,I'll bet).!Sir Speedy!

PS---It's only 94,today in Joisey!!
Nrchy,I am talking about the umbilical(stock is dreck)from flywheel to table,as stated!Don't ask me why this was a huge improvement on both my,and my pal's table,but it was.As for the P-300,or any good power source,for that matter.I,and my pal,have tried a load of them.Obviously,as Cello states,a battery would be nice,but I don't know of any source,without a major fabrication hassle,that does this.I can only speak from our experience.The Electronic flywheel IS sensitive to the line.I know it is marketed as a line conditioner,but I'm a bit sceptical as to how far it goes,based on A/B comparisons.I think it is really more of a "very effective" speed control.A true electronic flywheel,but not so hot in eliminating all noise,coming in with the line.

I have a dedicated line,in a private home,so opted for the Ultimate Outlet,from wall to flywheel.My pal is in an apartment bldg,so went,finally,after tons of dreck conditioners,for the P-300.This has been a "gift from God" for him.He is 22 stories up,and his lines sort of stink,but are as clear as spring water now.

As for the umbilical,my pal sourced these from a custom guy,and they were not cheap(400 each).The connectors alone were far superior,and they were made of silver.I'm not advicating the silver,but a really good umbilical(don't ask me why,I don't know,and don't care)made a really LARGE improvement in the sound on both our set-ups!I had pondered this idea for a while,but only decided to have it come into fruition after sharing the idea,and selling it to my friend,who sourced it out.I was too lazy,and he is retired.I assume any good cable guy could do an equal job.As for Kirk,as I've stated,he is concerned with keeping costs down,and feels the stock cable is sufficient.I don't blame him.I won't say the Cosmos is a steal,at it's price,but WOW can it be coaxed into some amazingly great performance,with a little fotzing around.Actually,alot of fotzing around(cords,footers,rigid,damped shelving/stand,line situation,etc).It is well worth it's asking price,based on the competition,and I really wonder how much better the high priced stuff is,in comparison.I'll bet,not alot!

Larry,I thought you said you had a dry sense of humor!You can fabricate a story for me,as long as we are in the dog days of summer.Not much doing now,so I'll read anything.Of course this all changes after Labor Day!!

Best wishes to all!