"...converts DSD to PCM, but upscales it to 192/24..." My understanding, and that one is very very very limited, is that DSD and PCM do things somehow differently. However, the numbers attached are typically in MHz for DSD and KHz for PCM. I remember seeing advertisements for SACD that were comparing CD resolution (44 KHz) and touting that SACD is 60+ (64) higher. That would imply that those numbers matter. In that case, 2.8 MHz would be way above 192 KHz. Why is conversion from DSD to 24/192 KHz called upscaling then? Is there something else at play? In my experience, I tried SACDs converted to different file formats and different resolutions with the highest ones being 24/192 WAV and FLAC, I cannot tell the difference between DSD and 24/192 with any certainty. It may be my shortcoming or it may really be negligible. |
Just remember that SONY UBP-X800 does not have analog RCA outputs, if they are ever needed. However, it may be the cheapest and simplest solution for questions/intentions from the original post. |
tweak1,
You are right, I missed that "105" written lower in the post but did catch "XLR". However, I am far from an Oppo expert (I think I have physically seen only one in my life) and actually have no idea which one has XLR and which one does not. My question about the model, as silly as it seems now when I realize you have written it in the same post as the erroneous one, was to ensure more structure in this "Oppo, SONY, Yamaha, Denon, digital, RCA, Schiit, analog, HDMI" salad. It was really not picking on you or ill-intentioned in any way. I promise.
My friend has not contacted Oppo, he just lives with it, but does have the latest firmware installed. Whatever that really means in practice. Now, when I think of it, I have a feeling that his player has been freezing more and more often. Maybe something is dying in there. These things do have their lifespan. Maybe his is nearing the end despite being very lightly used (I would guess less than a disc a day on average) and he bought it later in the model life cycle.
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A friend of mine has an Oppo, I believe it is 105 with Darbee something, player. It is great except that it freezes or crashes relatively often. Sometimes a few times a day. The disc does not eject, nothing works. You have to turn it off, even that becomes more than just quick press on the button, and wait and restart and then, most of the time, it works. Not always, though.
On the other hand, it may play for a month with no problem. Maybe it needs a few cups of coffee to work, too.
Maybe the glitch we have been reading about does have something to do with Oppo software.
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tweak1,
I assumed it was you hitting 9 instead of 0 by accident but I just wanted to make sure as Oppo did make 95 and 105 so, in theory, it could have been either.
EDIT: To make it sillier, as I was writing the above sentence, I wrote "9 instead of one".
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This may be one of the more confusing threads in recent memory that actually had some meaning in the beginning. "One final question ( I hope)…….The question is so does the DSD setting." That is the statement, what is the question? Is the original post still relevant? Were the answers satisfactory or we abandoned it, or we somehow tangled them with Oppo instructions? Are we still welcome to try to help with answers or we are welcome to read about the progress with items we do not know what they are? |
tweak1, "...SACD hybrid layer on my 195." I assume it is 105 and not 95. (I make that 9 to 0 or vice versa error all the time). |
Confusing, but excellent that you can, at least, use it for SACDs in the way they were designed to be listened to.
Unfortunately, it does nothing for your wish to play it via an external DAC as you stated in the original post.
We keep on adding players. We started with Denon and Yamaha, switched to Oppo along the way, and now added SONY.
Can we also add what model numbers we are talking about? They may not all work the same (from the same manufacturer). Not because of curiousjim, uberwaltz, or me. Some day, someone may revisit this thread looking for similar answers and she/he may find it helpful to know what exactly we were talking about. It may save that person some time of tapping in the dark.
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curiousjim, In essence, in your original post you seem not to be interested in playing SACD through an outboard DAC in its native DSD(ISO) form but converted to PCM. Is it because the Schiit DAC you mentioned cannot play DSD, but does play 176.4 PCM files? To answer the end question from your original post, "What else do I need to play SACD at 176.4khz " You would need: -SACD -appropriate SACD player (that gets very specific and, surprise, cheap) -modem -computer -program for conversion from DSD to PCM (dbPoweramp, for example, although I do not think it will get you to 176.4, Korg Audiogate may but I would need to check it) -cable for connecting computer (file player) and DAC At that point, you will not be spinning actual SACDs anymore, but files of some sort from a hard drive of some sort. |
curiousjim, It has been a while so I got a bit confused. Your original post links to Yamaha and Denon, but we are trying to fix Oppo. It might have gotten added along the way as you already have it. We are all talking about analog RCA outputs playing converted SACD/DSD but one of your posts implies that you are also interested in digital SACD output... "RCA and Optical can’t handle the amount of info and I’m not sure about Balanced. It looks like USB will work but there are only a few SACD players in my price range that have USB outputs." In original post you are asking about playing SACD through an outboard DAC for which would be logical to be interested in digital SACD output. Could you rephrase/clarify your intentions (models included) so we can try to rephrase/clarify answers? If it is many of them, we will dissect each separately. Right now, it is way too tangled. |
"According to the OP they cannot get any sound over the analog outputs, which is most peculiar." I am not sure about Oppo, but some machines disengage internal DAC when something is connected to a digital output. In this case, I would disconnect HDMI (or whatever digital connection is there) from the player when attempting to listen to a SACD via RCA/balanced outputs. I would not even just turn those off but rather pull them out from the player for a test. Just a thought. |
"How's everyone else playing SACDs?"
Maybe by bypassing the player altogether. Rip the files into DSD and play through any DAC you wish (as long as it works with DSD). |
