Something For The Fuse Guys ...

@  jimkiely-  Personally; I’ve found the tech people and owners at PS Audio very accessible.      You might ask them if they’ve any experience/concerns, with the Synergistic fuses.      https://www.psaudio.com/contact/

So many deleted posts!    Did someone get embarrassed?    Never mind(I’m certain: I didn’t miss anything important)!

"Wow!!! just looked at your history, out of 8 pages of post, possibly 6 pages of which are on the Synergistic Research fuses, others are on other voodoo SR gadgets."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You lie!

I've been eating a lot of fish!

Steps in the Scientific Process:

• Step 1: Ask a question. ie: Can fancy fuses possibly be of benefit/change anything?
• Step 2: Do background research. ie: Read reviews/feedback/empirical evidence.
• Step 3: Construct a hypothesis. ie: Opinions vary widely, but- everyone’s right.
• Step 4: TEST your hypothesis by doing an EXPERIMENT. ie: ACTUALLY TRY THEM.
• Step 5: Analyze the data and draw a conclusion. ie: Did I hear a difference, good or bad?
• Step 6: Share your results on AudiogoN.  caveat: If positive; be prepared for scorn and ridicule, for being so foolish, as to actually go through the Scientific Process, instead of being convinced by another’s theories.

"Again, fuses won’t and simply don’t make any tonal differences appear from their otherwise simple place in the component, and that fact never changes."                                     A, "fact" has to be based on something and proven.   The above statement is based on nothing.   That makes it an opinion.   The typical naysayer, pontificating from ’The Throne of Abject Ignorance’.

btw, Georgie- Anyone that looks at my post history, will find the vast majority are an effort to encourage others to experiment for themselves.    Well; that and they’ll realize, how full of ..it, you are.       ie: "Wow!!! just looked at your history, out of 8 pages of post, possibly 6 pages of which are on the Synergistic Research fuses, others are on other voodoo SR gadgets." ??    You’re a real case(SEEK HELP)!!!

For anyone that hasn’t been keeping up: Someone wondered whether amplifier manufacturers were aware of audiophile fuses. It took only three positive responses, for a naysayer to lose their mind. They can’t even seem to recall what THEY posted. Hilarious and tragic, at the same time!

Sure, after you asked,   "Are you trying to say Odyssey come new with Gold tuning fuses?"  

Short memory, too:  
georgehifi5,996 posts10-20-2019 7:11pm

Had a pair of Odyssey amps, in house, for audition. Opened one up(with permission), to look at and test a couple things. Found Hi-Fi
Tuning Gold fuses(it’s been a while) in the rails.

Are you trying to say Odyssey come new with Gold tuning fuses?

If you look at all the Odyssey amps (Google images of internal shots) and there quite a few.
You will see they all from what I saw, just have 20c normal 3ag or 2ag rail fuses in them, on the board right next to the speaker RF filter coil

Wait a minute! maybe all the owners of those amps, threw out the "Gold Tuning Fuses" and put in the 20c ones instead because they were better!🤔

".....read the post carefully, and you’ll understand the point being made."("Cheers", indeed) Excellent advice! Someone seems to have some some serious problems with comprehension. Not only about whether I said the amps come with the fancy fuses installed, but- where I said I opened one up("innards were exposed"). To recap: "Had a pair of Odyssey amps, IN HOUSE, FOR AUDITION. Opened one up(with permission), to look at and test a couple things. Found Hi-Fi Tuning Gold fuses(it’s been a while) in the rails. Never looked at the AC main fuse. HE’D JUST USED the amps for demos, AT A TRADE SHOW. Can’t say if he sells his amps, with them installed." (Emphasis added, for the comprehensively challenged) Just another one of those special moments, on this tragicomical AudiogoN site. Now: back to your regular programming.

Had a pair of Odyssey amps, in house, for audition. Opened one up(with permission), to look at and test a couple things. Found Hi-Fi Tuning Gold fuses(it’s been a while) in the rails. Never looked at the AC main fuse. He’d just used the amps for demos, at a trade show. Can’t say if he sells his amps, with them installed. It would be interesting, if someone were motivated enough, to contact all manufacturers of audio equipment, just to ACTUALLY ESTABLISH what the, "overwhelming majority" would say. However: I suppose, that would also depend on who, from whatever firm, answered the phone.

SR offers a 30 day satisfaction guarantee, which even eliminates the, "...if they have the money...." factor, of the equation. However; it would be good, to be certain they DO have the money, because(I’d predict) most that truly listen, WILL want to keep the fuses.

"I don’t wan’t to spoil anyone’s fun and if they have the money and want to give it a go and make their own decision that’s great, just select the right ratings and take a few sensible precautions."                                                                                                            Excellent perspective and doesn’t smack of the the preconceived notion, that everyone else is so inept as to electrocute themselves, or burn their house down.

Talk about a loaded question! It’s easy to tell who’s who, their bents and biases, by their(typical) refusal to experiment/test/research and constant dissuasion of others, regarding any and all scientific method.     There are other stripes of naysayer(variables exist), but: the majority........

"....well other than a misunderstanding of how electricity works..."      There are a couple of theories, as to how electricity, "works".    They are both called a, "theory".     To which theory, do you ascribe your perfect, "understanding"?

"........but when someone brings up a group, made of up actual audio researchers, experts, and others who are viewed by their peers as experts, that that group is suddenly of "no value"."                                            Perhaps: expectation bias and peer pressure?    Oh, wait: those guys(the Naysayer Cadre) are COMPLETELY impartial(snort of derision).    Or- is it possible, that there’s been a panel, selected from a completely random pool of music lovers, that have never met or compared notes, as relates to their listening preferences/biases?    And: had their aural acuity tested, prior to listening?    I’d be mildly interested in the results myself, were that the case!

@oregonpapa - I’m certain; that’s in the cards. Right now; I’m going to be making a couple other changes, which will require evaluation(hours, each). Don’t want to muddy the waters, with my propensity toward impatience.

While contemplating the above, I thought about my own fuse trials.    Didn’t know what to expect, but- figured it was worth a try.    My first fuse was the SR 20 Synergistic(yeah- it’s been a while), for which I didn’t care.    Tried the HI-FI Tuning Gold, then their Supreme, which I’m still using.    The SR 20 / 500V / 500mA / Slo-Blo / 6.3 X 32mm, pair(what my Carys use in their B+ circuits), have been sitting in a drawer, since.    Anyone that can use that size/rating in their gear and wants to experiment, can PM me.    I’ll ship them gratis(no cost / no strings).

Thinking about A/B testing, it occurred to me, how many times I’ve heard, "expectation bias", to discount the conclusions, when conducted by the typical audiophile(the tweak doesn’t matter). Today; I pictured a cadre of fire-breathing, rabid, naysayers(perhaps, even degreed), wondering what their, "expectation bias" might be, regarding the completely impartial(of course) listening test, in which they’ll participate. I haven’t, however, heard anything about peer pressure, within such a group. What are the odds, anyone within such a group(the completely impartial cadre, mentioned above), would dare say they heard an improvement, or- so much as a difference, knowing what they might face, from their peers(ie: being called a, "Fusist", ostracism, ridicule, black-listed from any further, impartial, testing, etc / just think about today’s political climate). Then; I’m also supposed to take the word(as Gospel/whatever), from those with whom I have no familiarity, as regards either their hearing health or listening tastes/training/abilities(just. "Trust me!") Call me a skeptic.

I’m still waiting for someone to, "prove" fancy fuses can’t/won’t/don’t improve one’s listening experience.    OH, WAIT: you can’t.    All I’ve seen/read here, thus far, are theories and subjectivity.    Nothing’s ever been categorically proven by either.    Theories are proven through experimentation & measurement(the Scientific Method).    Again: you have to know what and how to measure, but- there are nothing but theories, in that regard, thus far(IF you’re honest/not brainwashed).    Double-blind listening tests, depend solely on the listeners’ aural acuity(highly subjective).    The ONLY way an audiophile will ever know, if fancy fuses will improve THEIR listening experience, is to experiment/listen on their own, with their own system and ears.   

Hopefully: the kind of people we’ll run into, on a site(purportedly) dedicated to the improvement of one’s listening experience, will be those that point us in a direction, conducive to achieving that goal. It’s been my experience; making system/listening improvements takes experimentation. Whether in the position of one’s speakers, relative to where they’re seated, walls, etc(major/usually profound), or- what fuses one chooses and uses(minor/generally subtle).

I suppose; some are so lithocephalic(an indicator of hubris), that they’re incapable of noticing another’s use of words like, "generally", "variables", "usually", etc.       And, again(my point): Anyone’s having convinced themselves otherwise, through whatever process, should not dissuade another(that cares about sound) from experimentation.         ie: Listening/testing/exploring, on their system, with their ears.

On another thread, Elizabeth brought up a subject, that is typically ignored in these conversations. ie: Familiarity(with the system being altered/used as a test platform). Hours spent in a car familiarize it’s owner with the overall sound of it’s operation. Slight perturbations/changes in those sounds, will usually go unnoticed by an infrequent passenger, but will(generally) be obvious to the owner. My system’s presentation has aspects, with which I’m intimately familiar, when reference material(call that a, "control") is played. When something(fuse, cable, outlet, vibration control, whatever) is replaced, and that changes an aspect of my system’s presentation; it’s going to be much more noticeable to my ears, than anyone else’s(again: usually, because- there are variables). Einstein theorized/realized(and it bugged him) what The Hubble Space Telescope confirmed, in the 90’s. ie: Around 95% of our universe, is comprised of stuff, no one understands or knows how to measure(but- to which unexplained phenomena point). (https://home.cern/science/physics/dark-matter) I have no problem, trusting my ears to tell me when/if things have improved in my system’s sound(unexplained phenomena/various controversial means), without knowing the precise mechanism. No one has ever proven(or- categorically disproven) anything, through endless theories, conjecture and rhetoric. Theories are proven through experimentation and measurement. But- you have to know WHAT and HOW to measure. In the case of expanding our musical enjoyment, it starts by listening to something new, if we care enough. Anyone’s having convinced themselves otherwise, through whatever process, should not dissuade another(that cares about sound) from experimentation.

I’m learning not to engage(waste keystrokes on) those that have something to prove, outside of those that trust their ears and wish to prove, for themselves, whether some things, not easily explained, can result in better sound(my only agenda).