Someone please 'splain me


I want to set up a hard drive system so that my wife can enjoy uninterupted music as she is working downstairs. I'm somewhat familiar with the steps involved, but have several specific questions. Here is our setup:

One room upstairs:
Cable internet connection with PC connected to wireless router

Other room upstairs:
Audio system - CDP has digital input with USB-digital converter

Downstairs:
Networked PC

Questions:
1) Which 250GB external hard drive should I buy? I'm hearing conflicting opinions about what works/doesn't work with PC
2) Should I simply hook up the external hard drive in the audio room to a laptop, or....
Should we put a wireless Squeezebox on the router in the computer room upstairs, and is it even worth the expense to do so?
3) What cabling will I need?
4) Can my wife control the music from her computer downstairs?
5) Is iTunes the best music organizer for our needs?

And finally, do you think we need to install $1100 PC's on all of the CPU's? Only kidding, cable flamers...

Thank you,
Howard
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Showing 5 responses by jayboard

I agree that Ckorody's post was a good one. I almost hate to interfere... but, Howard, yes, you would be able to control volume from iTunes running on the downstairs computer. And that's regardless of whether you have AXpress (I would assume same holds true for SB) or a laptop feeding your CDP/DAC. (Actually, AX probably isn't an option by itself since its digital out is optical and I assume your digital in is S/PDIF.)

If you go with a hard drive in your audio room upstairs and you intend to use it while you're listening there, be sure it's quiet enough not to annoy you.

There are several ways using iTunes to wirelessly serve up music files under the control of a remote computer. Probably the most obvious is using iTunes' music sharing feature. With music sharing, in my experience dropouts are truly rare. Budrew, are you using music sharing?
Howard, you might be on the right track, but it seems you're envisioning the
hard drive in the wrong spot. The only thing the hard drive gets connected to
is whichever computer is going to be the music server. Before you get that
USB-S/PDIF interface built, figure out how you're going to connect your music
server to your DAC, because you may not need it.

The basic chain (before adding remote listening stations) would be: music
server (taking data off of external hard drive) --> wired or wireless to data/
spdif interface --> wired to DAC. The data/spdif interface could be a SB or an
AX or the thingy that you are considering having built. This component needs
to be in the upstairs audio room, since it will be cabled to the DAC.

Any of the three computers you've mentioned could be the server. If you used
one of your computers already in operation as the server, you wouldn't need
the old laptop. I'd assumed that a big reason for thinking about using the
laptop was so that you could also use the hard drive based system in your
audio room, but now I get the sense that that is not important.

Your downstairs PC could serve, as long as the wireless signal from
downstairs to upstairs is reliable. Or, your upstairs PC could serve. Both of
these options could be less than ideal if having iTunes running in the
background on the server would interfere with other work you are doing on
the server machine (not likely for "normal" computer work) or you
want to independently listen to music via iTunes on the two computers at the
same time (a more likely issue).

Finally, your laptop could be the server. Let's say you choose the laptop
(depending on how old it is and what version of OS it is running, you also
may have to pay attention to whether the most recent versions of iTunes will
run on it). Then, as you say, you would cable the laptop to the router, since
it's not wireless-capable. Next, comes the data/spdif interface. I'm surmising
from your comments that you're not interested in running cable from your
upstairs computer room to your audio room. So, you'd have to purchase a
wireless interface like SB or the AX (not the USB/spdif thingy you are
considering), which would connect with your DAC by coax cable in the case of
SB or Toslink (with a $3 miniplug adapter--IMO, don't listen to concerns that
this will degrade the signal) in the AX.

In this scenario, you would have iTunes running on the laptop, with the music
sharing feature turned on. Each of the other computers also could run iTunes
and, with "look for shared music" turned on, independently select
music to be played locally by communicating with the server.

BTW, the music sharing feature of iTunes is all you need to play music from a
remote machine -- no ARA or other software is required.

Under music sharing, the remote machines do not have full-featured control
of the music library. You couldn't add new music files to the library from the
remote machines, and you couldn't edit the library's metadata, which makes
tasks like creating new playlists and assigning star ratings to songs you're
listening to off limits. You would have control over the playback functions,
like selecting albums and tunes and existing playlists, controlling volume,
using shuffle, and using the Visualizer...yeah, baby.

A more advanced topic: There is a way to set up a remote machine to have
full control over the library. However, in my experience, this requires the
remote machine to be on the network via ethernet in order to avoid dropouts
during playback (and to speed up tasks like ripping new tunes to the library)
...though maybe a totally 802.11g wireless network would not have these
issues.

Hope this clarifies more than it confuses.
Budrew, and I suppose you already have streaming buffer size set to large? Wish I had other suggestions to offer...
Just to be clear, you only would need the USB/SPDIF converter you were
talking about getting if you were planning to connect your music server to
your audio system by a cable. You don't seem to be contemplating that.

I don't know much about the SB, but I'm not sure it's the best choice for the
last configuration you've talked about. The SB is designed to give you a user
interface for music playback, and like the AX, it also does the data conversion
to SPDIF and DAC (if desired) functions. If you're using iTunes on a computer
as the user interface, one of the main features of the SB is superfluous. The
AX is cheaper. A difference, if it matters, is that the connection for the SPDIF
signal from SB to DAC is coax, whereas for the AX it's Toslink.

P.S. I've come back in and added this as an edit. Actually, I do see a role for
the SB. Since you can't put your laptop in the music room, having a SB there
would let you use your music server while you're listening there. You haven't
said that's a factor at all, but it wouldn't cost much to make that service
available. Ckorody talked earlier about looking down the road at the big
picture. 'Course, if I were looking down the road, I'd be looking at getting a
wireless laptop to devote to your music room.
Let me guess at what you're envisioning. With the new and fast USB ports you've installed in your laptop, you can connect your new hard drive to the laptop and connect the laptop to the wireless adaptor you mentioned in an earlier post. The wireless would let your laptop communicate with your network.

To answer your question about the AX directly, yes, that would do what you want. Like the SB, the AX has a built-in DAC, which you will bypass. The SB also has its own user interface, which you don't need. The SB and the AX, like the USB/SPDIF converter you were thinking of buying, convert data into the SPDIF format--the only function you need.

If you use the AX, you'll go wireless from the laptop to the AX. If I'm not mistaken, the AX only performs its music function when it is serving as a wireless receiver for iTunes. (It has an ethernet port, but that is for use when the AX is serving as a wireless base station. And it has a USB port, but that is for connecting to a printer, with the AX serving as a wireless printer connection.)

Be as concerned about the cable from AX or SB to DAC as you would a cable from any transport to your DAC--but, then again, your wife will be listening from downstairs. If you go with the AX, I don't think "thin" will be the issue with a plastic Toslink. It will be more like extension and resolution. But there are some very reasonable glass Toslinks, like Sonicwave.