So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...


Here is a very relevant discussion among physicists about the directionality...the way signal and electrons should flow... based on conductor orientation. Some esoteric, high-end manufacturers say they listen to each conductor to see which way the signal should flow for the best audio quality.

Read this discussion. Will it make you rethink what you’re being told and sold?

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-a-copper-conductor-directional.975195/
edgewound

Showing 13 responses by oldhvymec

BLA BLA BLA Broken F***in record.. How may times were you clowns set in the corner for NOT LISTENING.

You site some half baked crap from WHO? "Someone that says"

No one claims anything. The claims are from the flat earthers how "OTHER" people, (NOT THEM) CAN’T hear what THEY hear.

Why not say "I can’t hear the difference", "Others MAY".

Ignorance is bliss, so is a limited ability to discern the difference in cables, gear, acoustics and God forbid a TWEAK that works..

Your THREAD is here to do one thing collect fungus, at least that has a purpose, the little conversation you referred to is as old as DIRT..

LEARN to listen for yourself AND QUIT speaking for others.

Hearing aids... One Mouth shut. Two ears OPEN. Try it...
Crap I am in trouble, MC is making sense.. LOL

What he said..

That's a New Zealand term, for "What he Said"

Of course it was 45 years ago..

Heat in the desert, I've seen some pretty wild looking sunsets and sunrises for that matter..
your posts are getting real tiresome!
Your posts were tiresome when you were roberjerman and they are still tiresome now.

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AND the rest of the names IT post under. Robertdidit, audio2design, d2tech, how many more times, how many more names?

"REAL TIRESOME!", I’m the OLD mechanic, I will fix this problem, you can count on it...I’ll fix the problem OR THROW away the PART..

Smarten up Craphead52 you have ZERO positive to offer

Anarchist, plain an simple pedal you dissension else where.

By YOUR ways you are known.. They wrote about people like you 3500 years ago.

How ya doing rodmann99999? Been a while.. Cary's still cooking along?
OP it speaks to anyone’s character when people "TALK". Because I converse with someone is not because I have something to offer or visa versa. It could just be out of mutual courtesy between two human beings in passing.

While being homeless can be a burden to some it is the ONLY way others will live. Being homeless is a temporary situation ANYWHERE in the United States, including all the U.S Territories.

The U.S. is a place where if you choose to be homeless or CHOOSE to be a billionaire, YOU or I have a choice none the less.

What is a "hand up"? A hand out? What’s a hand out? What YOU want to give. That’s right.. What does anyone need at anytime?

99.9% of the people wouldn’t have given a homeless guy a second look but somehow YOU would have changed his world had YOU been there?

I admire your intent if that is what it truly is. You would invite the guy home and give him a bath, feed him, washed his feet, clothed him in the finest duds in town and called him brother? Take him to his next NA/AA meeting and made sure HE was ok because you were looking out for YOU, so you could look out for HIM... Really, are you that person?

You’re a better man than me or are you a mere man? I would have HAD to "AT LEAST" known the guy from somewhere in my past. Yup better man than me.. Angels walk amongst us. I’ve spoken to one a time or two..

BUT I know which direction my cable point, and there is a reason for it.

Just like this thread, we all have choices and it’s not up to others to make or decide for us. Either you know what you know or you don’t. Pretty simple.. BUT I’m just a common man that happens to be a retired heavy equipment mechanic. That and 5.00 dollars will get me a cup of coffee. That's a fact if I leave a 25 cent tip..

Regards
It’s easy for me to understand that cables CAN sound different one direction vs the other. It’s also appear that bothers other people.

My question is WHY? Why would it bother an individual if someone found a cable performed different one direction than the other.

A lot of the repairs I use to do on equipment were because "it didn’t matter", "I’ve never heard that before", "I never had to do that before"?
"no I didn’t read the instruction manual".

OR WORSE I did read the manual and that wasn’t in there. The it "It didn’t say not to", crowd.

The reality, is simple, to each his/her own. No need to argue when the whole point of the thread is to invoke one way of thinking. ANY middle of the road, normal person wouldn’t argue for someone else only themselves. There is no Sir Galahad here.

Starting a thread just to argue "YOU’RE WRONG" "I’m Right"!

What’s the point? I’m right, You’re wrong?! There is ZERO information in the thread proving there is "NO directionality". As I said and as a mechanic there are reasons to listen before soldering.
Because we can’t measure the EXACT differences we hear, IT (the change) doesn’t exist?

James B of Ampzilla built some of the finest amps around using a "LOOK at the wire" before solder approach. The difference in a piece of equipment voiced that way makes all the difference in the world in the way it sounds.

TO MOST that have ever heard an amp built that way vs not, it is not a subtle difference. The type of construct, the size, and LENGTH of wire runs makes a difference, but attention to detail like HOW the wire was pulled off working spools of wire in a build room... Mechanically joining all the solder point BEFORE soldering...

A lot of the GREAT builders don’t tell the public, How they get "THEIR" house sound. BUT they sure charge for it..

As for the "prove it to me" crowd, when YOU pay for it it’s all yours, when I pay for it it’s all mine.. Do what you want with your stuff. I’ll do what I want with mine..

I just started conditioning 13 cables on Cable Cooker 2.5, after I checked the draw of the cable. 4 were backward according to how they were put through the dyes.. I reversed the arrows and will cooked all of them for 14 days. NONE were pre conditioned or soldered. 13 cables 625.00 usd. I trust NO ONES WORK... Only my Cardiologist.

How you prepare a cable for maintenance, makes a BIG difference too..

Plug an DROP, may work, but just like direction, paying attention to detail nets some great results for many an audiophiler.

Regards
Under 90 days is a 3 to 1 favorite :-)

Regards and likewise to all  Namaste'
We all have the ability to remove our own post OP. It's not the mods it's self deletion..  If not, someone learned what the "Report" button was. It's not what's it's for but.. Some think it's right to silence other.

You know just like you.. You think you have all the answers.. Reality just a Johnny come lately trying to get a rise.. You'll be gone soon enough.

You'll get back on your meds and all will be well again for you, until. the cable conspirators show up in your HEAD again..

If you don't know your right from your left or in this case UP from DOWN, you'll learn.. nature will teach you..

I refer to simple logic, LOOK at the bare WIRE.

Get a microscope and LOOK at the cable.. Tell me there is not a direction and how it was put through a dye.. Your asking if it's directional?

How was it made? From the beginning or the END? YOU answer the question?

The question for many, does it SOUND different? Some cable a lot more so than others..

We had a few poster here say they would sneak this "FUSE" in and swap direction on their buddies cables and SEE if they could tell the difference..

ALL LIES.. No one would let anyone mess with their system.. NO ONE..

Especially someone with high dollar cabling or equipment. Total BS..

So OP.. welcome to AG.. for how ever long that last..

Care to speculate on that?

We need to start a Lottery.. See how long you last before a retreat and then a NEW resurrection with a whole new name..
Thank God I'm a mechanic. I don't have to prove it I just had to fix it.. the proof is in the pudding.. :-)

PHDs is the name of a great band.. NO place for it here fella, sorry..

Prove it.. funny if nothing else.. A lot of great ideas right here on AG..

Pay attention your close to corner time.. that pointed hat and facing the corner gets old.. Prove it.. PAY ME.. I'll prove it.. How's that.. LOL

If we have to keep repeating stuff were gonna have to start charging by the line.. That was part of the collective bargaining agreement..

No Freebies after the second time.. :-)

Regards
OP if your version of "Frat boy" is a LOT of us agree cables sound different, you’re right. If you install them one way and there are NO ARROWS and then install it the other way and DO or DON’T hear a difference, what camp does that put someone in?

Like a few poster here believe in bundles of cables, others mix and match, others zip cord.

I don’t think there are TWO camps, I think there are several different ideas, and not all will pass scrutiny. The neat part is it (how it sounds or doesn’t) can be ignored by ME or YOU. Still doesn’t change the fact someone has a better sounding system even though you or I can’t hear the difference that others can.

When two people have the exact same boxes, ALL the same. The room, the preamp, the amp, the speaker boxes, EVERYTHING is the same and the only difference is cabling.. That is an eye opener. That is what changed my mind 40 years ago on "different", cables sound different ways..

I truly think the biggest issue is not direction (I thought that was figured out 30 years ago) per say but SIZE. Bigger is not better, but it sure will do damage because of WEIGHT and size..

I’ve seen more than a few systems sound BAD behind BIG PC and oversized speaker ICs. Direction is a bonus and pays dividends in the construction of cables right on down to how you coil up a cable when IN use or NOT.

I suppose static discharge/drop and flop cabling sounds as good a carefully routed, pre coiled, pre conditioned, terminal end treated (with contact enhancer) cabling..

I really thought "Cable Direction" was a 30 year OLD topic.

Are there 20K speaker cables? Only if someone else pays for them.. Not ME..

I just looked at a 15K piece of stained glass that someone else commissioned to be made..  NOT ME!! I'm a 300.00 kind of guy and get out the soldering iron and glass cutter.. :-)

Amazing!
teoaudio and taras22 or whatever the fuck you call yourself....you guys are both fucking crooks. Fake science in audio is not cool. The elements don’t lie...but you two fuckwads have no problem lying to the globe about your fake audio physics

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Time for you to leave.. Learn some manners. AND LEAVE.

Just as simple as that. You are NOT welcome to type whatever you want here Mr 4 post..

Cables have arrows for people just like you.  The People like you STILL install CABLES (NOT WIRE) the wrong direction..

Kind of like "with the directions written on the heals" and you still get your shoes on the WRONG FEET.. 

DUMMY!! 

Don't go away MAD, just GO AWAY..

I got your fraud "HANGIN", DUMMY!!
Ahh edgewound, the newest genius has arisen from the dust of the last. Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust..

Back on your meds again I see..

I suppose we’ll all get a good shellacking about, engineer this and engineer that.

Good Lord little johnny come lately. Catch up and quit making a FOOL out of yourself for the umpteenth time.

Manic again are we... STAY on your meds, stay off the BOOZE!!!

Just an observation from the LAST 10 times you pulled your Anarchy CRAP!!!! GD Troll and your buddies..

How many personalities do you have? Really you gotta stay ON the meds...

You’re becoming a kenjit (nuisance for short).

Master M, he's back....:-)