Hi Pettyofficer,
Well, I'll bite. I don't have much pull, but among other things, I buy Computers (pc) for a living. I spend enough to get their attention (few million), but realistically have little pull. I buy Acer/Gateway, HP/Compaq, Dell and a bit of Asus. In Acer, I do know some fairly high level people. I don't know what you are thinking about instead of an operating system, but lay it out, i'll take it up the ladder... I agree with you about alot that you say... but realize these companies operate on lazer thin margins, there must be a market or you are correct, they have little interest.
So, please list in order of importance, what you would like to see for your music server, realizing that the lower points, might not be looked at, at all.
I will do the best I can and report back... It could certainly take months. |
I want to echo what Elizabeth said. There was a big buzz going around about how much JPlay improved computer audio. I tried it and was impressed. Before buying it, I removed my anti virus, I deleted any programs un necessary on my computer, I turned off all programs not used on startup, I increased my ram from 3gb to 6gb... When all that was done, the difference with or without JPlay is negligible My PC with DAC is now better than any CD player that I've had in my system.
Tim |
Pettyofficer, yes, but since I removed my antivirus, I have only downloaded from HD Tracks, before that, I used a few other sites also. Most my current stuff is just from redbook. I noticed you commented on Windows 8. I'd like any info out there on it. I have it saved to a dual layer DVD ready to load, but am too worried to load it. It wipes out Win 7. When Win 8 comes out, can we updated the developers copy? will we be forced to buy it? |
Pettyofficer,
Windows 8 is not yet available for purchase, I have a developers copy. You sure seem on a rampage over Computer Audio... I'd just like to know a bit more about using Windows 8 before I down load it. I am fine with no Anti Virus. Again, dedicated music server. I've never heard of a virus coming from a Microsoft windows update, Sorry, I don't have a Swiss Army knife, but strangely enough, I do have a Samurai sword.
Band aids, swiss army knives, software designers concerns or intent??? We work with what we have. I have Wasapi and KS downloaded, both work fine. I guess I'm a Zombie, just trying to get the best performance I can out of whats available. No disrespect intended, just now sure where you were going with all that...
Does anybody know of any issues using Windows 8? |
Pettyofficer, all that and you gave me nothing to take back to manufactures... no substances rants just don't work. |
SACD and DVD-Audio are not computer audio... they require extra hardware and media that both cost money.... They both were formats competing with CD and the multitude of small devices. No matter what your format, it can be downloaded to your computer... for now or forever, the can be very competently converted to analog and as long as you own the computer... at least with PC, it doesn't cost you a dime extra, plus, you can store all that music on a drive, no getting up and changing cd's, records, etc... Hi Res downloads or not, I'm glad to download my redbook. Cd files sound just as good as the cd, I can choose individual cuts, I can move between artist instantaniously... proven format? There's nothing to prove. |
I was selling audio when Magnavox introduced the FD-1000. I believe it was the worlds first CD Player...Don't remember the year... Maybe 1981. There were 3 cd's available at first. It is true, manufactures have to have a way to make a living before anything takes off, but believe me brother, computer audio is taking roots... nothing like 3 cd's available. I use PC and am absolulely fine with it, but it has been stated quite well above, go with MAC for now, no driver issues at all, you won't need to deal with a Wasapi, ASIO or KS patch.
I guarantee that within a few years, you will see computers that are made to be used as a server, Highly efficient processors, with big ram and big storage, operating systems made to use minimal resources, with the best digital outs available, all standard equipment. I get your issues, just seems a bit overboard. Changes are coming, just hold on. Tim |
OK, get this, I come on here and say that I have no anti virus... I do a microsoft windows update and what do i get? Microsoft Security Essentials.... I don't know whether to say LOL or isn't that a kick in the teeth.
Of course I don't have to use it, but I found it pretty amusing after these post. Tim |
Well, I think we've figured out what we need. A computer, with no operating system, able to convert all files to the single best format upon receiveing the file. It needs to be downloaded without going on the internet and be capable of being played with a built in DAC in the computer that beats out the best outboard DAC's available. I guess it outputs in analog, might as well have its own perfect gain stage capable of being turned off, so we can use or not use our favorite pre amp and what the heck, lets keep it under $500. |
You are trying to save computer audio? I asked for real suggestions from you to take to manufactures. You mumbled out garbage. I'm sorry to sound this way, but you have ridiculed everything about computer audio without a single real suggestion of how to fix YOUR COMPLAINTS, not ours. You say yourself that 50% is extremely satified, I'd say it is more like 95%. Have you ever thought about asking someone experienced for advice?
Please state where you get the statistic that 50% are unsatisfied.
Where is did your facts come from that computer audio is unreliable? On this thread there are maybe 20, 25 or so people. I see 1 person complaining, not 50%... unless no one else counts and you are much too late, computer audio has already made it. I hope someday that you can find enough hi res downloads to make you happy. I have about 1800 songs downloaded and I admit only a 100 or so hi res, but I can attest that redbook cd's downloaded are better playing off files from my computer through my dac than any cd player that I've had in my system. I'm sorry that you are unhappy... Life is too short for that. Myself and it seems many others are very happy with our computer audio setups.... Maybe you should go fishin. Life is too short to be this aggrivated. Tim |
ULTIMATUM?
FORCE?
IMPENDING DOOM?
SLAVERY?
AGGRESSIVE SHOVING?
I thought we were just talking about listening to a few tunes. I enjoyed mine last night, all redbook stuff downloaded to my PC. Beats my old CD player... you remember when CD's were DOOMED?
Did you try my "going fishin" suggestion? Why all this stress? |
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"You want"Live, and Wage War to Eliminate All Other Audio Formats"! Not true!
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"You want "Live, and Wage War to Eliminate All Other Audio Formats" Not True!
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"You want me, the Consumer, to look weak and helpless having to rely on only one Audio Format- Computer Audio"
Not True!
Petty Officer, if I understand you correctly, you don't use computer audio.. all anyone here has done is try to be convincing why you might try it and why we love it. No one has tried to KILL all other audio formats. I have a turntable, 2 cd players and a tuner. I use computer audio. The only militant responses have been yours.
Sorry I recommended you go fishing, didn't think you would act like the fish was a relative or something. Yes, I'm sure there is more stress for the fish. I solve stress kicking back and listening to tunes and yes, most often using computer audio.... I can see there is no convincing you this is a good format, you constantly turn suggestions and our own experience into battles and then call all of us Militant. I'm on no crusade brother and done with this thread. Enjoy your tunes everyone, I'll talk with you on some other pages. Tim |
Wow, I've not looked at this thread in 2 weeks, pop on to find the same ole LAME arguments going on (that make no sense) by Petty Officer.
No one is going to get through to this guy, we are now imperialist, capitalist, Elitist....
And those terrible manufacturers that are in business to make money... How dare they!
He is obviously ticked that he sunk a bunch of money into a couple of formats that didn't make it.... That has nothing to do with computer audio.
and Pettyofficer....YOU telling everyone what WE think and what WE believe and what WE are doing is really tiring.....Especially when you are wrong about it all...
I feel for you, but you are beating on about 25 or 30 audiophiles.... Take your battle to the blood sucking pig elitist, capitalist, imperialist, communist...oh wait you didn't say communist did you, YOU are just acting like one..If you are an engineer,build the products that you so hardily fight for and take it to the bank... You can then join the club. |
Petty officer, you actually inferred that computer audio is better than cd, as was sacd... wow, a very big step for you. I have heard that a WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE invested in sacd over that "slightly better" difference...
I'm sure that you feel attacked by this thread... My issue is that it seems that you keep making it personal toward all of us computer audio lovin thugs rather than just the arguments of computer audio alone. I've seen printed YOU THINK more times than worth counting... where does Ulitimatum come from?
What it comes down to is Value for me. I have a computer audio setup that competes if not betters some of the best CD players on the market at pricing that I could afford where the best cd was out of my reach and yes, when you combine this sound quality with convenience it makes this a no brainer for me... I must say though if it didn't have this level of sound quality, I'd throw convenience out the window. Just as you, I am greedy also, I want it all, Computer audio, so far has come the closest in giving me all.
It sounds like you have terrible computer problems with all the issues that you have described, good luck finding a better computer, so far, mine has been flawless and I have been very happy with computer audio. I wish the same audiophile happiness to you and to all, Tim |
Petty reminds me of my ex wife |
Hi Pettyofficer, Do you go over to the analog forum and beat down the vinyl only guys? Don't they need to expand their minds?
I believe that we all appreciate and respect a vinyl lover, I've never seen a harsh word from you toward vinyl... Computer audio is certainly the most growing segment of the industry, but if you don't think someone would jump on another winning format???? You Did, are you more or less intelligent than someone that hasn't used as many formats as you have? I still have vinyl, I am going to sell my tubed CD player soon, for me, I'm done with it. If another winning format comes along, you can bet that I, you and most other audiophiles will check it out... this pending doom is a bunch of bull.
You've taken a alot in this thread, i appologize for any part that I've had in that, please just stop making things personal and you will find more friendly responses. Even though I disagree with you, you've stood your ground voraciously, I have to respect that.... Good luck with your tunes, Tim |
Realistically everyone is using 16/44.1 or higher. I really don't think ANYONE is using MP3 for their main listening....why do you keep bringing MP3 into the conversaton. same ole lame arguments, can you say anything productive?
These arguments are just plain stupid.
Please just use your 8 track tapes or what ever you do and leave us computer guys alone. Man this is tiresome. |
Yep, Chad is right on... I don't have a ton of time in a real studio, but I have been running 48 channel boards in churches & such for several years... Lately we drop everything right to a file in 24/96, keep the file in high res, but down convert nearly all to cd quality at 16/44.1. I've dropped a few things right to a thumb drive and brought them home to evaluate the mix, shows right up at 24/96....
I realize the petty is talking about studios, but I just can't imagine pro's using anything less.... Unless they are still stocking reel to reel as masters..... I doubt it. |
Pettyofficer, I have to say, last post was pretty well written. I'm not sure how accurate all the studio info was, but point taken. The point that I cannot take is all the hype about the insecurity of all the other formats and writing it as though all of us want those formats to go away... any format that has merit, will stay. I really feel (no offense intended) that all EVERYONE is asking you is "why all the paranoia of formats failing"? We are all open minded toward other formats and as I had written previously, I believe anyone on this thread would try another if it had merit. |
hi guys, I am writing from my phone on the road .as I feared h p wanted nothing to do with a new audiophile computer.
Acer had mild interest, they asked me to look at a model s5. they believe that they can modify this machine to work as an audiophile server.
I do not know that machine, if a couple of you would take a look at it I'd appreciate it , I will be back friday night and check the thread then thanks,They were talking about a $999 retail.
Tim |
Can we all just agree that Petty needs to develop his own stinkin format... he's the engineer... (drives trains)
I just don't understand why he continually beats down us dummy's that aren't smart enough to do this computer stuff properly.... Petty, Please, Please, Please fix it and save us all. |
Have you ever heard this one????
How do you Kill a Thread? |
FINALLY I GET IT, ITS ALL CHADS FAULT...
Earlier, it was the tyrant manufactures, then all of us at least now we know its Chad... and of course now instead of not being forced to listen to mp3 or being able able to get high res, it is now formats that don't exist to the consumer market and the consumer market will never see them because of Chad... |
Well Pettyofficer, just don't understand you, now you turn around and speak reasonable again... what it comes down to with downloads is this... what ever the file type, MPEG4, Flac, DSD, WAV...whatever it is, it can be converted.. You can burn a file to disc... if the file integrity is good, you'll have a great CD. I suppose that you could burn it to BD-R, then use your Blu Ray player also... Computer Audio offers more flexibility than ANYTHING else, its here to stay and you will see it grow in many ways, including selection of music....
Appreciate your tenacity, man you do stay with it. |
Petty, just tell us what formats that you'd like to buy. I don't want to limit you any longer, please tell us, all the formats that you would like to buy, please list them individually, also, if they aren't available to the consumer market, please lend your bank account to bring all the formats that you want to market, after all, you are the engineer. After all, its our fault that you are limited to 1 format, YOU CANNOT have any other format... wait, its Chads fault isn't? So after all its Chads fault that you are limited to 1 format...
My gosh man you talk in circles. It is obvious, you argue for the sake of arguing, please take the last word and relieve us of the pain... Wait a few were enjoying this, gluttens for punishment. Give us your favorite spaghetti recipe, it might be something productive that all of us could get from you. |
Pettyofficer, You seem very passionate about this. Since you've been beating down 30 or so audiophiles, You must have been driving manufactures crazy to do something about your complaints that we have nothing to do with... You continually state "YOU THINK"
To be clear, what I THINK is that you've done nothing, you've contacted no one, you've only complained to a bunch of guys doing best they can to listen to tunes.
Please give us the info of the rants where you have taken it to the manufacturers to update audio formats in the manor that you have laid out in this 230+ count thread... So very directly again... HAVE YOU CONTACTED MANUFACTURERS? WHOM DID YOU TALK WITH? WHAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE?
TO QOUTE Pettyofficer: "COMPARISON" you want! I would be happy with both Disks and Downloads. You- NOT SO MUCH! Is this a matter of profitable convenience? At whose expense? It is not going to be born in a vacuum! Who pays then? Variety= strength. Your limited Format variety= What? Weakness?24/96,24/192 Audio Extractor compared to 32 Bit Disks- is that the best that you can do? Keep working on it. So other than beat on a bunch of guy acting like WE NEED TO FIX YOUR PROBLEM, Tell us what you've done about it. Tim |
Well guys, I'll be gone tuesday - friday. Going on a buying trip... Computers ...I have appointments with Acer, Asus & HP. Too bad, Pettyofficer didn't answer my questions back on page 2 about taking this to manufacturers and I as I stated a couple post ago, I don't think that petty has done anything but complain to us.
Keep at it, I'll check in on my phone.
Tim |
Hfisher, Are you a church boy, for some reason when I read your last post, I have an uncontrollable desire to say
"amen brother" |
Hi Guys,
I posted earlier about trying to get a manufactured to do a dedicated music server, Desktop and Notebook, HP blew me off, but Acer had mild interest. Acer thought a model S5 would be a good basis to work off of. The S5 retail is dropping in about a month from $1399 to $999.
Until Win 8 is officially introduced, they can't ship it, but I have an eval piece coming in a few weeks.
Is a pc version an interest to our community or am I wasting my time. Maybe starting another thread would be appropriate? |
Hfisher, agree 100%..... of course
Mapman, I don't speak yiddish, but I think he is crazy too |
Thanks for the reply Hfisher, just don't want to spend my wheels pushing to get a prototype made if there is really no interest... I'll probably give another thread a try. |
SUNANDMUSIC.... Why did you wake this guy up?
Now the bible says the world is flat and Microsoft is the Audio God. |
As Petty Officer, I'd like to wish EVERYONE a Merry Christmas also, but I don't celebrate it for the Microsoft God, just the one.... you know Christ...mas
I wonder if he knows the Audio God? |
Petty......Really, what are you trying to convince all of us to do??? You know we are all happy in our computer worlds. Why can't you just listen to your umpteen formats happily and let us listen through our computers without feeling the need to bash computer audio and for that matter, all of us that listen through a computer. I just don't understand what you are trying to accomplish. Please write all of your rants to companies that can do something about it. We have all heard what you have to say, you've heard our how much we agree. Take it somewhere to make a difference and please stop bashing here, where we can't help you. Tim |
Petty, how about we come up with a deal, you buy me my downloads and I'll rip em for you for free. Everyone is happy!
Finally, Problem solved |
Pettyofficer is probably right about the magnetic formats, we all know how bad those ancient real to real tapes sound.... Sorry, petty doesn't want to discuss the stone age. Better not mention SSD drives |
I have come to understand that Petty is completely correct about everything he says.... In his own mind. Every alternative point has turned to argument, a one line statement from anyone gets a page from Petty. His endurance is amazing, as so many say, I agree to disagree. He has a different perspective and is unbending, even to logical, concise examples.
This is a no win proposition my audio brothers.
Tim |
Everyone knows that LP died in 1982 When Cd's took over |
