Shiit yggdrasil

George, I wish you were right....it would all be so simple.  However, everything you do to a DAC effects the sound.  What is real is what something sounds like.  3 people (2 posted on line) have said the Gustard beats the R2R Yggy playing 16/44.  I trust what people hear, not some obsessed person on a forum.

If your friend A/Bed with the Gustard with his Yggy had some mods done to the Yggy....then he should redo the test after doing some simple mods to the Gustard.  With 3 simple mods (anyone can do...no soldering) the Gustard jumps another level.  Just two days ago a friend said his not burned in stock Gustard beat his stock Yggy and now he wants to sell the Yggy.  He has yet to do any mods to the Gustard.

Huge Losses?....the Gustard costs practically nothing.  My friend does not want to post about how good the Gustard is for fear that the resale value of the Yggy will go down before he sells it.

Times, they are a changin

George, stuck in the past?  The mud got you down?  Maybe I should wave my Voodoo stick and all will be better.  he he.

Love you   Have fun

Lets get back to Yggy, etc. fun, yes?

George, You say the same thing over and over on many threads...that is the definition of "obsessed".....but really besides the point.

What you are doing is generalizing. You have not heard the Schiit or the Gustard, so how can you know anything about how they sound? You cannot. I would say that generally, you are mostly correct. But not always. There are too many factors to say which DAC will sound best at any price point no matter what the technology is inside. You, obviously, think otherwise. It is too bad that you base your knowledge on guess work rather than true knowledge (actual listening tests).

Here are some more things to consider. Many, in the last couple of years have discovered the joys of upsampling all PCM to double and Quad speed DSD (using HQ player, the best sounding of all the upsampling software at this time.....to be bettered soon, no doubt). "They say" that this upsampled PCM to DSD sounds better or as good as playing the PCM through a "Great R2R DAC". The Yggy, though very good is no match for an MSB Analog...let alone Select, Rockna, TotalDAC, Trinity, etc.

Mike Levine....look him up....bought the Trinity (R2R DAC that lists for $45,000) and finally heard the glory of PCM. However, he soon sold it as Quad times DSD oversampling using the inferior JRriver software came really close using his Lampizator DAC to decode the DSD. I believe he is about to try HQ player and I bet he will be amazed.

Quadman.....look him up.... is double upsampling PCM to DSD using HQplayer into a modded Gustard and he says his PCM sounds as good as his turntable setup. He is looking for ways to get quad and eight times DSD into the Gustard.

You cannot do any of the above with an Yggy. It only plays PCM.

By the way, the three people who have A/Bed the Yggy and the Gustard, that I know of, are all listening to straight PCM and feel the Gustard is better.  None has done the DSD upsampling game yet.

George,

"Biased owners, DSD hoax, bad delta sigma, fuse hoax"......at least we know where you stand........seems like a swamp to me.....I would throw you a rope but you probably would ask me if it is an R2R rope.... he he

Hey, its just all for fun.  Enjoy yourself.  Love what you do and everyone. 

Ric

George,

Sorry, I will refrain from speaking about your personality.  I think obsession is great, as long as it is about truth.  The only truth I know that is eternal is Love.  I am obsessed about love, joy and happiness.

Love you,

Sunshine...hey, I used to be called that. 

Pardon me, but I never did mods on the Yggy.  I posted mods on my website that were DIY mods only.  When the Yggy was released I was super excited.  I thought the Yggy (especially with mods) would be a reference product for years (just shows you how fast digital is changing). This is why I helped my friend who had one do the mods....I suggested them and he did them at his house one at a time.  He took photos and I put the whole thing up on my site so that those with Yggys could see how to mod them, if they chose.  No one chose to do all the mods that I know of.  I never modded an Yggy nor have I ever had one here.  If you search you can find my Yggy mod page (no longer linked from my site but still in the ethers).  But I have been waiting for a DAC to mod and the Gustard is the real deal.

The stock Gustard speaks for itself.  Read the other threads where people have done A/Bs against other DACs.  Obviously, one can take anything further, which is what I am doing.  Yes, I am making a ton of money on $400 mods on cheap DACs.....ha ha.

Your quote above was about the modded Yggy being compared to other things.....and yes, at the time I thought it might be as good as I suggested.  In fact, it might be.  The trouble is....no one wanted or wants to mod their own Yggy.  Simply too expensive of a product to mod (and maybe lose resale value) and Schiit is not into tweaking and would not support mods (I am assuming). 

Suggesting inexpensive mods for sale on the internet is not unscrupulous.  Most who buy the stock Gustard will never do a mod nor have me do one.....you know that is true.  They will be super happy with it stock.  But for those that want more for very little then there are people like myself who offer services that are super reasonable.  If you have just bought an Yggy I can see how you would be very uncomfortable with this whole conversation.  If this info about the Gustard is true then the Yggy becomes yesterdays toy.  Do you think the Gustard will be "The DAC" at its price point in a year....no way Jose.  We are moving real fast here.  There maybe a $500 DAC in year that is even better.  More reason not to invest so much now in digital with it changing (for the better) so fast.

The faster this info about the Gustard gets out the more people are served......they get better more versatile sound for less.  I love to serve people.....Great sound for the masses!  You have to get how fast digital is changing.  If you are not reading all the forums and studying closely then you are going to spend more than you need and on inferior gear.  The Yggy is a great DAC....no doubt.  Just don't read any of the other threads about the Gustard (stock or modified) and you will be fine.

There was a cartoon in the old "Audio" magazine that showed this guy sitting on a park bench holding a brand new preamp box that he just opened and his head was down all forlorn looking and the caption said.  "Joe, just realized that his brand new preamp was already out of date".  I hope to keep a few people from suffering this fate.  Love is all there is.

Ric Schultz

tweakaudio.com 

Spencer, 

Please have him do the first 3 AC mods listed on my site....rather than what he did to the Yggy. 

I cannot find any policy statements about "business interests"  here....can you locate them for me?

I will put my website (tweakaudio.com) with my name when posting.  Hey big $425 mods on a few DACs......going to rake it in!  he he.

I really get excited about a product that is mind blowing for its price.  I have never had much money but always want the best sound I can get.  When I find such things (whether or not I have any financial interest in them) I share my findings freely.  I want everyone to be happy!

When the Yggdrasil came out a year ago I was so excited that I helped my friend mod his (my suggestions....he did all the work) and put a page on my website with link from my front page showing how to DIY mod the Yggy.  I did not mod the Yggy but wanted people to know how great the Yggy was and that one could do these simple mods and get even greater sound.  I thought the Yggy would be great for years!  Digital is changing fast!!!  Only a couple of weeks ago did I remove the link on my website.....if you search you will find it.  I did not remove the info from the web.  But why would you want to mod an Yggy now that a way less expensive DAC is better and more versatile?

What people are doing is combining Roon with HQplayer.  You have the incredible ergonomics of Roon and the great sound of HQplayer.

Ric Schultz

tweakaudio.com

I am going to take the time necessary to really do a serious output stage on the Gustard. I have tried a couple of output stages but they were only slightly better. I want it to blow your mind. So, it will take time....maybe a couple of months....maybe sooner....maybe later. However, level one completely transforms the DAC into another whole level. It will be easy to update to any new mods as the Gustard is not heavy and easy/light to ship and I turn around things in a couple of days. I just started a thread on What’s Best Forum that will be the main place for people to share and ask questions about the Gustard.  Sorry for hijacking the thread....but someone asked about the Yggy/Gustard difference and there we went.   Back to regular programing.

Ric Schultz

tweakaudio.com

One person says I should identify my self as a manufacturer.....another says that it is advertising.  Enjoy your self.....have fun!   Lighten up!   

Please, yes, let's get back to talking about the Yggy!