Shielding components from EMI/RFI... Help please


A recent experiment with a product designed to reduce EMI/RFI left me curious about other ways to reduce EMI/RFI in my system. In the past ten days, I've stepped onto a slippery slope, at the bottom of which is surely some kind of insanity...

I've been experimenting with copper plates in an effort to absorb, deflect, diffract, and block EMI/RFI. I've tried copper plates under components, on top of components, and inside components.

This is the point where you tell me I don't know what I'm doing and I'm likely to short circuit something and/or electrocute myself. Consider me duly warned. This is also the point where you tell me to get some balanced interconnects, or at least to get some shielded interconnects for Chrissake. Consider me duly informed. Moving on...

I'm hoping you can help me make the most of this experiment, and help me avoid killing a component or myself. My strategy so far has been to:

1. Place copper plates at locations that generate a lot of EMI/RFI, e.g., components with switching mode power supplies or high frequency clocks. The system has a total of 3 SMPS and 3 clocks.

2. Place copper plates at locations that are vulnerable to EMI/RFI, e.g., under the amp, near the transformer.

3. Place copper plates inside noisy components -- in particular, my Meridian G68 preamp/processor. I've begun to build 2 partial Faraday cages, one for the SMPS, and one for the analog output stage.

4. Ground the copper plates either to the component chassis (when plates are used inside a component) or to an independent ground point (when plates are used above/below a component).

Has anyone tried this sort of thing?

Bryon
bryoncunningham
Funny story ... a few weeks back I attempted to leave you this link FERRITES on Ferrites ... thought it might be helpful at that time and I knew you would be very interested

The post was very short something like ... Check [this] out ...

After a day or so .. my post never appeared in your thread ... and I couldn’t figure out what was so derogatory or in conflict ???

Shortly after that I received a email from A/gon a day or so later saying ... Thank you for your submission but we are afraid we can post it as it is .. “To Short” .. and would take up valuable space in the archives ... please lengthen your post and resubmit

So this is my attempt at lengthening the post and getting you the info I know you will appreciate

Here’s another link at chasing RF sources in your house RF interference

HTH Dave

Hi Dave - Thanks for those links. They are very informative.

As far as A'gon rejecting your post because it was "too short," that is just strange. And arbitrary. My last post on this thread was two words long.

What's more, it seems like I've been hearing more and more A'gon stories of people whose posts are being rejected for one reason or another. Maybe there is new management in Moderatorland.

While I certainly understand the need to moderate forums for content that is truly objectionable, one of the things I always liked about A'gon is that it erred on the side of permissiveness rather than censorship. Not long ago, I joined another audiophile site, where 3 out of my first 15 posts were edited by a moderator. It was creepy. I stopped posting there altogether.

Whether it's in the virtual world or the real world, the excessive control of speech has a chilling effect on the exchange and progression of ideas. Let's hope this trend doesn't continue.

Bryon
Update for anyone still interested in my adventures in EMI/RFI reduction...

Three more changes:

--I replaced the unshielded power cords for the power conditioner, the preamp, and the amp with shielded power cords. An improvement, even though I went from three $1100 cords (Shunyata Pythons) to three $100 cords (Pangea AC-9's).

--I added copper "sleeves" to the ends of all power cords in the system, as described here.

--I wrapped the external hard drive where my music is stored with TI Shield.

All three were improvements, but the biggest and most surprising improvement was wrapping the external drive with TI Shield. Don't know what to make of that.

FWIW.

Bryon
Bryon,

Did the Pangea AC-9s change much after "x" amount of time?

Reason I ask is that I bought a few of them a year ago. I can't say anything bad about them but I found some cords I liked better. I just kept them because I'm too lazy to sell them. Now I need a cord and may give these a second chance. I didn't put many hours on them after I got them.

I admire your honesty in saying you liked them better than the more expensive ones.
Yes, Onemug, I did notice a small improvement after they had about 100 hours on them. I am very impressed with the performance of the AC-9's. Remarkable for the price.

The fact that I preferred the very affordable AC-9's to the very expensive Pythons illustrates a point Al has made many times... in the world of cables, the correlation between price and performance isn't that strong.

Bryon
"All three were improvements, but the biggest and most surprising improvement was wrapping the external drive with TI Shield. Don't know what to make of that." TI Shield has supernatural powers. That's why I personally recommend it. =;^)
Another update from my crusade against EMI/RFI...

A couple years ago, I relocated all my equipment to a closet, which you can see here. To reduce heat buildup, I installed a large fan in the ceiling of the closet. Today, I finally got around to DIY'ing an EMI/RFI fan filter, which you can see here. It's made from steel and copper mesh, and it covers the entire ceiling of the closet.

Obviously, I don't have much of a life. But that's not the point. The point is: it works. Definitely an improvement in SQ. I was surprised. Again.

Bryon
What do you think the sonic benefit of all the shielding in your G68 is? Protecting it's internal components from external EMI or protecting your other equipment from EMI generated by the G68?
01-30-13: Camb
What do you think the sonic benefit of all the shielding in your G68 is? Protecting it's internal components from external EMI or protecting your other equipment from EMI generated by the G68?
IME, the biggest gains in SQ were made by shielding the G68 from ITSELF. In other words, shielding the analog board from the digital boards and shielding the power supply from both the analog and digital boards.

Bryon
Interesting! Yes, you do see companies like Marantz shielding the power supply inside their cd players with copper.

On a whole, though, lots of recommendations to apply shielding solutions to digital equipment. Is this because they are sensitive to EMI or because they are big EMI emitters?
On a whole, though, lots of recommendations to apply shielding solutions to digital equipment. Is this because they are sensitive to EMI or because they are big EMI emitters?
Mainly because they are big EMI emitters.

A notable exception to that perhaps being circuit points that are involved in the timing of D/A conversion. Pickup of radiated noise at those points could conceivably have audible significance as a result of its effects on jitter.

Regards,
-- Al
Thanks, Al.

Camb -- Digital components are noisy, and analog components are sensitive. Putting them together makes for an unhappy marriage. IME, shielding works, but the DIY approach requires lots of experimentation. I find the process of experimentation fun, but then again I am crazy.

:-)

bc
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As much as I can see, they have 3D models and quite wide range of shields. Hope it can help.

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@bryoncunningham You have a very nice clean rack of equipment. Many of us are trying to reach nirvana with our audio systems. I applaud your endeavor of re-engineering some of your components to resist EMI/RFI. Many would not bother with this. What has motivated you to re-engineer your components? Were you actually experiencing noises and higher than average noise floors? Does your system incorporate any balanced devices, or is it all unbalanced RCA?