Shelf Material - Neuance


I started a thread a month or so ago trying to find opinions on the best shelf material. I got some good new ideas, and tried them all out - except one, Maple Butchers Block. McMaster did not reply to my emails concerning Maple Butchers Block - not unusual, I have found many US companies turn a deaf ear to anyone from another country. I did try some local butchers block - stips of heart timber glued together, and the spectral balance was very good, but pace was poor. If Maple is better then it must be much lighter than what I was using (Weight = energy storage = poor pace). The best I tried was a very classy looking Neuance shelf, which you can find out about at www.neuanceaudio.com. I think subaruguru was also trying one and so it will be interesting to see what he thinks. It has a sound, but one that is difficult to pin down. It did not work well on my transport, flattening mid-range images for some reason, but worked well on everything else. I will order some more and therefore be able to get a better measure of its performance, and will try again with the transport (I have since learnt that I should not have used up-turned spikes). The Neuance is fast, it almost spotlights mid-range detail (you hear everything a vocalist is doing), it is very extended top and bottom. It might have a tad too much warmth in the lower mids and upper bass, but I am not sure yet. I love the way pianos sound with it - very much like the real thing (my daughter plays piano and so I hear it every day) - no exagerated presence, but all the natural harmonics of a real piano. I find it works best resting on small 1mm thick hard rubber pads, on a sand filled steel rack, with Vibrapods between shelf and component. I did not particularly like up-pointed spikes underneath it when I tried it but will experiment some more when I have some more Neuance shelves - it is hard to get the full measure of this shelf when I have only one. But I suspect this really is very close to an ideal shelf - very light, very rigid, no noticeable resonances - as I am using it at present. If, like me, you have been looking for a top quality shelf, then the Neuance is well worth a try. My only relationship to Neuance is that the man behind it offered me this ex-demo one for the cost of freight in response to my original post. When I order the next three shelves from him I will be offering to pay more generously for the first one.
redkiwi

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Thanks Sam: I need to hone my search skills. Looks like US customers can deal direct, which is always nice.
Ernie: I have not liked the "dead" sound of top loading my CAL player except with a one thing that I tried recently, by accident. Before I tried books, bags of rice and sand and they all removed the kind of reverb (I think that this is what people ar referring to when they mention "air") quality that I actually like. What I have tried that tightened but did not deaden the sound were three brass (by Mapleshade) placed flat side down on the top of the player (they were just there by accident when I was moving my DAC). I then discovered that just one of them placed slightly off center on the top made a very subtle but nice change. My player is also in an 80% enclosed cabinet (just part of the back, up against the wall, is left open, and receives very few direct of reflected sound waves. I also feel that Ken's point on de-voicing the component is a valid one and although you can certainly tailor the sound a bit by trial and error we don't want to go overboard by damping everything in sight. Mapleshade also has a brass top weighting device that only touches the top of the component with three little cone points that are integral to the brass weight itself if I get it right and this seems like something to look into as well. This must all be system as well as taste dependent as I did not like the sound of weighting my speakers either though sand bags on the bases of my stands sounded good to me.
Sam: What is the price range for Symposium? Neuance is around $150.00 per shelf.
Subaruguru: Did you use the Bel Canto with the Neuance shelf, or are your comments in regard to the unit without this isolation component? Just curious as I will be trying the Canto with Neuance shelving and a CAL player/transport shortly. I am hoping to eliminate the use of cone points by using the Neuance shelving, which sounds promising so far from both your comments and those of RedKiwi. I live in LA and using cone points is too precarious for me and my equipment considering how the "earth move(s) under my feet" on occasion (bad song and bad joke).
Hi Ernie: Thanks for the quick response. I read in an online pro review that the Canto sounded best when placed directly on MDF. Well, not in my world as this was the worst sound that I had with it. I have found it to sound best (from what I have avaialable) on Mapleshade cone points with a top weight but have had a hell of a time keeping it positioned on them due to a heavy PC, the recent space shuttle sonic boom, me being clumbsy, etc. Today I received and assembled a Studio Tech rack from Audio Advisor and just need to take it to my mechanic to have the shelf brackets mig welded to the posts. This rack is not on the Neuance "hit" list but once welded into a one piece frame should work very nicely as it already has upturned spikes for the shelves to rest on. The rack was only $150 on closeout and I coudn't see spending $250-$350 more for similar one piece racks (without the spikes that I would have had to retro fit) when all that this shelf needed was 32 mig welds (8 per shelf). The next step will be the Neauance shelves (just two to start as I am low on funds). I had hoped to place both my small tube amp and the DAC on the top shelf together, but don't know if this is a good idea. The second from the top shelf will be for the transport/player. I was quite amazed by the quality of the Studio Tech rack as all of the shelves meet metal to metal with the support posts except for one edge (out of 32 edges) that is off by 1/32nd of an inch, which will still weld nicely. As far as I know though the racks are completely sold out. It's from the PA series if anyone is interested and can still find them somewhere. Sam mentioned this rack in a post a long time ago which is where I picked up on it. Oh, and yes Bel Canto has a mod now per some of the other posts that I have read (mine is stock). I don't notice the HF sound that you mention, though I have to think that what you are describing is what I do not like about a lot (make that most) digital gear. I kept the Canto because it did not glare or sound metalic (I think "metalic" describes the sound that I don't care for), so it may be system dependent (strings , brushes and cymbals sound very realistic with mine). I also run the Canto from a power conditoner and upgraded the stock PC which made it sound limp in my system (didn't care for the sound at all until I switched out the stock power cord. I read that the Neuance shelves take a couple weeks or so to ship which is fine with me as I still have to gut a closet that the gear is going into and remove a pocket door as well. Maybe in a month or so I'll have some feedback on the shelving.