Setting up 2 power amplifiers to setup at once help?


Hey guys I’m using a pair of Polk rti a7s with a Denon Poa 2800 amplifier and Denon receiver 2801. I just bought another power yamha PC2002M power amplifier which has a little more kick then the denon 2800. But I will be giving the denon 2800 to my dad when he gets back from his trip. I just want to know is it possible to hook up the 2 power amps to my setup at once ? And is it worth will I see a big difference in sound quality and performance ? I’m just curious and want to do a bit of experimenting only if it’s possible? Don’t want to risk blowing anything up. Thanks guys

Tony
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Showing 2 responses by almarg

Looking at the manual for the AVR-2801, which can be found via a link near the bottom of this page, it appears that in stereo mode (i.e., when a surround sound LFE signal is not present) the bandwidth of the sub-out signal will extend up to a frequency that is fixed at 80 Hz. (See especially pages 16 and 17). While the crossover point between the low and mid/hi frequency sections of the speaker is at 125 Hz. So using the sub-out signal to drive the low frequency amplifier would cause frequencies between approximately 80 Hz and 125 Hz to be under-emphasized or even almost absent (depending on how steeply the filters roll off), although the relatively narrow difference between those frequencies would tend to mitigate the issue. Also, as the notes in the manual make clear, there are a number of menu settings that would be involved in doing that, creating opportunity for error.

So I would go with Imhififan’s suggestion of splitting the front right and left channel pre-outs to drive the two amplifiers. Although chances are the physical spacing of the two RCA plugs at the end of the particular cable he suggested is not enough to allow connection to two separate amplifiers.

So it can be done without and active cross over? And unidentical amps. Considering that @almarg has mentioned that the gains are almost identical ?

Yes, it can be done, and **if** the Denon amp (as well as the Yamaha amp) provides adjustable input levels you would have a lot of flexibility in balancing the volume of the deep bass with the volume of higher frequencies. Which might be helpful in dealing with room effects.

One additional possible complication that occurs to me, though, is the possibility that one of the two amps produces an output signal having the opposite polarity of its input signal, while the other amp doesn’t. That’s probably unlikely, but if that is the case the resulting sonics would likely be poor (although no damage would result). If that is the case, though, you could compensate by interchanging the + and - connections on **either** the low frequency or mid/hi frequency section of each speaker (but not on both sections).

In any event, just be absolutely sure that the jumpers are removed from the speakers if and when you biamp. If they are not removed you would be connecting the outputs of the two amps together via those jumpers, which could damage either or both of them, as has been indicated earlier.

Regards,
-- Al
I took a look at the manuals for the two amps in question, which can be found at hifiengine.com if one is registered there, and I calculated their gains based on their specified sensitivities and power ratings. In this particular case it happens that the gains of the two amps are almost equal, assuming the specs are accurate.

To be precise, the Denon’s calculated gain is 32.0 db, and the Yamaha’s is 31.24 db. Also, the Yamaha has input level controls, providing up to 20 db of attenuation in 1 db steps, and the Denon **might** also have input level controls. Input level controls on the Denon are "only provided for versions other than USA Canada and multi-voltage versions."

Finally, I took a look at the manual for the speakers and it confirms that they are suitable for biamping (when the jumpers are removed, of course), meaning that the low frequency and high frequency sections are not interconnected internally.

Regards,
-- Al