Hello DB,
Oh ye of little faith. The goal is to use all four subs for both stereo music and HT to have near state of the art bass performance on both. Run all four subs in mono because none of your music recordings were recorded with stereo bass below about 100 Hz anyway, they all have the bass summed to mono.
But don't worry, you'll perceive the bass as stereo. Even though the fundamental bass tones below 80 Hz, that you're not able to localize (tell where they are coming from), are reproduced in mono by the four subs, the higher frequency harmonics or overtones of the fundamental tones that reach to frequencies above 80 Hz and are reproduced through the pair of Ref1s in stereo, are able to be localized. Your brain does the rest by associating the harmonics or overtones to the fundamental tones and this allows you to perceive where the tones below 80 Hz are coming from within the soundstage image.
Just trust me and give it a try, it works like a charm and you're going to love it.
Tim
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Hello DB,
Millercarbon is correct, there's no good reason to split your subs as 2 for music and 2 for HT. Both will be improved by utilizing all 4 in both. I thought that was our plan before you had your non-working subs repaired. The 4-sub DBA concept provides excellent bass quality for music and HT.
Is your main concern how to setup your components in one system and conveniently switch to music or HT? If so, I think we can come up with a good solution.
Basically, you want to use your KEF Ref1s as your front main speakers for music and HT, with your Ayre components for music and the Ayre DX-5 universal AV disc player, Bryston SP3 preamp processor, NAD amps and KEF LS50s as surround speakers. Your Ayre 5/20 series Digital Hub serves as your music preamp and has a bypass switch for HT, correct?
Tim
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Hello DB,
My opinion is that you should reinstall it just to look at that beautiful beast. Whether you want to actually hear if it sounds as good as it looks, is completely up to you. C'mon man, get that thing reinstalled and don't hurt yourself moving that beauty.
Tim
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Hello DB,
" Of course, bass associated with surround channels is likely to be ignored by the LS50s. And so it goes."
I think if you go into the Bryston Ayre SP3's Source Setup menu, instructions beginning on page#13 of the SP3's manual, and configure all the LS50s as "Small" speakers, the bass will be augmented by the subs for all your LS50 surrounds. Actually, it's best if you read your SP3 manual and, starting on page#3, go through all of the setup screens and make sure everything is set to your requirements.
The speaker setup menus for setting the surrounds as "Small" speakers don't begin until about page#13 but it's important you set all settings properly. I think it also will provide optimum performance if you experiment by initially configuring the KEF Ref.1s as "Large" (run full-range with no bass cutoff frequency) and then compare this to configuring them as"Small" (with a bass cutoff frequency as low and as close to 40 Hz as you can set it while still sounding good to you.). This is also the menu in which you configure all LS50s and can experiment with bass cutoff frequencies as low and as close to 40 Hz as you can set it while still sounding good to you.
The goal is to find the settings that sound best overall to you. Remember, since you're setting up a Custom 4-sub DBA system, you're also able to experiment with the Volume, Crossover Frequency and Continuously Variable Phase control settings on all 4 subs individually as well as collectively through the Velodyne SMS1. Using a Custom 4-sub DBA is much more complex than the AK Swarm 4-sub DBA that I use, but it's also more flexible and able to be finely tuned to your preferences.
Let me know if you have any questions. I'm glad you decided to use four subs on music and HT and believe, once all the setup and configuration process is completed, you'll be glad, too.
I know for certain from experience that the 4-sub DBA concept works extremely well by taking advantage of the benefits of psychoacoustics and the high quality sensors and processor in the priceless audio component attached to the top of our necks.
Tim
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cleeds: "We’ve been through this before, and you’ve been provided with authoritative references to dispel your notion that all LF is monophonic/non-directional. I’m not sure why you choose to reject the science on the directionality of LF. In particular, 100 hZ is not especially low bass, and it pretty easily localizeable." Hello cleeds, I think you may have me confused with someone else, you never provided me with authoritative references to dispel my notion that all LF is monophonic/non-directional. Please provide those references again. In rechecking my references, I noticed that the threshold of human localization of bass sounds, due to the results of the most recent scientific research, has been lowered from 100 to 80 Hz, meaning humans are capable of localizing bass soundwaves above the updated 80 Hz threshold but are not capable of localizing bass soundwaves below this 80 Hz threshold. One of my references is the owner of Audio Kinesis and designer of the 4-sub Swarm DBA system, Duke LeJeune, who I recently asked on another thread to verify my understanding of in-room bass dynamics and multiple sub solutions. Below are his responses that I believe are relevant to this thread: "@noble100 wrote: "Duke... I was hoping to get your honest opinion on my thoughts on how I understand multiple sub systems function in general as well as my understanding of how bass is recorded on CDs and vinyl." In general I agree with what you wrote, so let me just toss out a few comments. " We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves..." My understanding is that’s generally true in a room. The figure I use is 80 Hz, rather than 100 Hz. I think Floyd Toole uses 80 Hz. This doesn’t necessarily mean that one cannot detect the location of a sub which is crossed over significantly lower, say at 40 Hz, because crossovers are not brick walls, so upper bass/lower midrange energy can give away a sub’s location if it comes through loud enough. Therefore in my opinion a steep lowpass filter on the sub helps to hide its location. "the bass is summed to mono on frequencies below 100 Hz on all vinyl and cd recordings." I wouldn’t say "all", but I would say "almost all". (If we’re talking about a Swarm/DEBRA system, a second amp can be added to give you true stereo bass). "Our brains are able to associate the fundamental deep bass frequencies reproduced by the subs, that are not able to be localized, with the deep bass’s higher harmonic frequencies, that extend well beyond 100 Hz, which are reproduced by the main speakers that are able to be localized. This psychoacoustic association allows us to localize the deep bass in the soundstage, for example the kick drum is located in the rear center and the upright bass is located in the front to the left, which would not be otherwise possible without this psychoacoustic association our brain’s are capable of." I agree. Duke" Here's the thread link: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/searching-for-matching-subwoofer-solution?page=2Tim |
Hello DB,
Okay, I trust you know what you're doing. At this point, I'm mainly interested with your impressions of using your custom 4-sub DBA system on music and TV/HT.
Tim
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Hello DB,
My suggestion is to try out both alternatives to help you decide. It takes more time and effort but you're ultimately making a more informed decision. I can state with confidence that a properly positioned and configured 4-sub DBA system requires no room correction software or hardware.
I don't believe running room correction will have any negative effects but, since I've never utilized room control on my 4-sub DBA, I can't be certain.
Later,
Tim
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Hello DB,
I understand, connecting the surround front LR main speakers outputs from the SP3 to a LR designated input on your Ayre preamp is functionally the same thing as having a HT/Bypass Switch on the Ayre preamp. All resulting in you having a convenient method of switching between music and HT use/listening on your unified system.
Well done! And you accomplished this all without taking my original advice of using your Oppo 205. I meant it when I stated I trust you know what you're doing.
BTW, if everything functions up to your expectations, I'm willing to purchase your Oppo 205 at a reasonably premium price along with the shipping costs if you no longer need it.
Thanks and congratulations,
Tim
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Hello DB,
I really think you're going to be thrilled with the quality of the bass performance in your system/room once you have all four subs back from repair and set-up.
For optimum performance, I suggest you position and configure all four subs manually before running any room correction on the Velodyne SMS-1s. I know we discussed optimum positioning of the subs previously and I believe you're aware of the importance of setting the volume and crossover frequencies precisely for seamless integration with your KEF Ref1 mains and how to do it.
However, I don't think I shared with you my simple trick method of setting the continuously variable phase control optimally on each of your subs. Here it is:
1. Temporarily invert, or reverse, the polarity on both of your Ref1s by reversing the speaker wire connections to the opposite positions. The positive speaker wire is connected to the negative speaker terminal and the negative speaker wire is connected to the positive speaker terminal. It's very important that this polarity inversion is done only on the back of each main speaker and the speaker wire connections on the amp are not altered and remain unchanged.
2. Play some music with good and repetitive bass and sit in your listening seat.
3 Have an assistant slowly turn the continuously variable phase control in one direction and back while you determine when the bass sounds weakest or worst to you, which is the proper setting. Repeat this procedure for each sub.
4. Once completed, reconnect the speaker wire connections on both of your Ref1s to the proper, non-inverted positions.
5 Play the music with good and repetitive bass again, sit at your listening seat and verify the bass sounds very good and natural to you.
This procedure works very well because it's actually much easier to determine when the bass sounds worst than when it sounds best.
As I'm sure you know, trying to figure out an alternative use for your spectacularly beautiful KEF Ref 204/2C, besides the work of art room centerpiece and very competent center channel speaker it is world renowned as being and very obviously is, has been scientifically proven to be futile. So, I suggest you just cut it out and reinstall it already.
Later,
Tim
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Hello DB,
Have you fed the equalized output from the SMS-1 back to the preamp and gotten all your subs back from repair and setup yet?
Also, do you want to keep your unused Oppo 205 or do you want to sell it to me at a reasonable premium? I'd put it to good use.
Tim
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Hello DB,
I believe that having four subs distributed in your room is going to increase the quantity of bass modes (peaks and dips), which is a good thing since your brain is going to sum the bass and average it by frequency. This will smooth out your perception of the bass, making it more detailed, natural and I think it's also going to get rid of your 60 Hz hump.
I have an Oppo 105, I was hoping I could buy your 205 if you're not going to be using it.
Later,
Tim
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dbphd: "The four subs, 2 Velodyne HGS-10s and 2 HGS-15s, are installed and the SMS-1s daisy-chained, although I’ll need some help in relocating each HGS-15s from a corner to behind the Ref 1s. I did an initial set up of the SMS-1s, but it will need to be redone when the subs are moved into place. I need to read the manual carefully, because there are subtle parametric adjustments I do not yet fully understand. One notable change with the additional subs is the elimination of the mild roll-off from 20 and 15 Hz. A first listen suggests the four sub array might sound superb."
Hello DB,
I know we previously discussed the optimum sub positioning and configuration of the four subs in a custom 4-sub distributed bass array (DBA) system but I think a few important points bear repeating.
For optimum performance when positioning the 4 subs in a DBA system each sub is run in mono mode and positioned sequentially in the room position that the bass sounds best to you (most accurate, detailed and natural). It’s best not to place subs in positions that are the most convenient or positions that you suspect the subs may sound best. The optimum results will be attained by just trusting the proven procedure of systematically and sequentially positioning each sub in the precise position the bass sounds best to you. You’ll also avoid the need to position any single sub more than once.
A properly positioned 4-sub DBA system requires zero room correction but, if you insist on using it, it won’t have any negative effects as long as you wait to run it until after all four subs have been optimally positioned in the room utilizing the very effective "Crawl Method".
Best wishes,
Tim
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Hello DB,
For best results, I seriously suggest you ignore Velodyne's recommendation of placing one HSG-15 near each main speaker and instead just position them where they sound best using the crawl method. They're probably catering to users who don't understand stereo deep bass is a myth with almost all music source material below about 80 Hz actually recorded as summed L+ R mono bass. It's best, therefore, to just run all subs in mono and position each where they'll sound best sequentially which will also be the same positions the four will sound best playing in unison as a whole DBA system.
To prevent moving the 2 HSG-15 heavy subs more than once, you could place one of the 10s at your listening seat, use the crawl method to determine the optimum position of the first two subs likely along your front wall and place the two HSG-15s at both of those positions instead of the HSG-10s. Then use the crawl method to optimally locate the remaining 2 HSG-10s as normal, which could be anywhere along the side walls or long the rear wall. This will result in the optimum bass response in your room for both 2-ch music and HT.
You can properly set up the master and slaves in the proper order and equalize them after the optimum positions are established.
Tim
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Hello DB,
It seems like you positioned your subs symmetrically in your room to make your system as visually appealing as possible. However, I strongly suspect this positioning fails to optimize the audio bass response performance quality attainable in your room utilizing your four high quality subs.
I believe you'll obtain significantly improved bass performance, primarily noticed as improved seamless integration with your KEF main speakers, improved bass impact, dynamics, smoothness and naturalness, by positioning all four subs along the perimeter of your room in a distributed bass array configuration.
This is accomplished by sequentially utilizing the 'crawl method' beginning the search for the ideal positioning of the first sub at the front right corner of your room and proceeding counter-clockwise around the perimeter of your room.
Just continue positioning each sub optimally and sequentially until all four are located. It's really up to you to decide whether you prefer to locate the larger 15" subs first, last or alternate between a 15" and 10" sub. No matter the distribution pattern you choose, the ultimate audible result will be excellent bass response quality throughout your entire room.
The bass results will be similarly smooth, natural and well integrated with your main speakers whether you deploy your current pair of 15" and 10" subs or if you deploy four 10" subs. Including the larger pair of 15" subs will provide overall bass response that extends a bit deeper, has a bit greater impact and slightly better dynamics.
Tim
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Hello DB,
Okay, I understand.
If you like the looks and sound of a HGS-10 aside each KEF Ref 1, I'd suggest you try positioning your two HGS-15s in the following manner:
Leave both of your 10s exactly where they are aside each main speaker. You already know these sub positions result in very good integration with your main speakers which is virtually the same as utilizing the crawl method to locate them. I suggest you just consider their current positions are the optimum positions for your sub#1 and sub#2 in the 4-sub distributed bass array (DBA) system you're creating and just proceed to optimally locate your two 15s, as sub#3 and sub#4, in your room.
To do this, just do the following:
1. Hook up one of your 15s and place it at your listening position.
2. Play some of your jazz with good repetitive bass through the 15 and your two 10s.
3. Use the crawl method, starting at the left side of sub#2 (located aside your left channel main speaker) and continue walking counter-clockwise around the perimeter of your room until you determine the exact spot that the bass sounds best to you (best integrated and the most natural).
4. Position sub#3 at this exact spot.
5.
Hook up your other 15,place it at your listening position and repeat steps #2-4 to optimally locate it.
6. Once completed, sit at your listening position, play the same music with all four subs playing and verify that the bass sounds seamlessly integrated and natural. Note: You will likely need to precisely adjust the Volume and Cutoff Frequency controls on both 15 subs until you determine the overall bass performance has been optimized at your listening position. It's best if you recruit a volunteer for assistance on this step.
If you follow this procedure precisely in relocating your pair of HGS-15s, I believe you'll notice a few things.
First, you may be surprised at the locations that the two 15 subs actually wind up positioned at in your room when optimized for bass sound quality. However, I can't predict even generally where they'll each be positioned in your room since it depends on the subs used, your ears/brain and your room qualities (dimensions, wall/ceiling/floor materials, furnishings and any room treatments present). I just suggest you follow the procedures strictly and make sure you pay close attention to bass quality when locating them.
Secondly, I'm almost certain you'll prefer the overall sound quality using all four of your subs when compared to using just the pair of HGS-10 subs. Remember, I'm speaking from experience using not only a pair of subs but a 4-sub DBA as well. You'll notice the bass is even smoother, more detailed and with the realistic bass power, impact and dynamics that are usually only heard and felt when you're present listening to music played live.
But don't worry, the high quality bass is always there but the volume control still allows you to choose the overall volume level for playback.
Enjoy,
Tim
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Just as I suspected, you had no legitimate purpose or reason for including and misconstruing millercarbon's prior post. Thanks for confirming this.
Tim
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" Okay listen first off its not gonna sound like it but I totally get it. People with HT setups love their HT setups in spite of the horrid sound. Or maybe even because of the horrid sound. I get that. Do not understand why anyone would want to waste their money on horrid sound but they do and so I totally get that."
Hello kgveteran,
Just wondering why you quoted the above comments from an earlier post by millercarbon?
I believe millercarbon intended these comments satirically and was referring to lower quality and more generic sub installations, not dbphd’s higher quality installation. I believe this because I know that millercarbon is very well versed on the theory and excellent bass performance levels obtainable through a properly positioned and configured 4-sub distributed bass array (DBA) system, having recently built four subs and deploying them in a custom DBA system in his system and room.
He has first hand and extensive experience, as I do, listening to a 4-sub DBA systems in our own rooms. We’re both very familiar with the near state of the art bass response performance these systems produce for both music and HT.
Exactly which "horrid sounding HT system" are you referring to and why'd you feel the need to repost millercarbon's comments?
Thanks,
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kgveteran: " a comprehensive multiple subwoofer array setup scheme combined with proper calibration equipment will get you much closer than archaic “crawl” method."
Hello kgveteran,
I think we both owe a big thank you to m-db for informing us that even a manufacturer of subs containing room correction hardware and software realizes the effectiveness of the timeless ’crawl method’. Thank you m-db.
Sure, individuals are free to buy and utilize expensive calibration equipment and software to determine the optimum positioning of subs in a multiple sub bass system. But the crawl method has proven its effectiveness since ancient times when the Greeks first invented the technique circa 3480 B.C. Aristotle and Plato actually put it best when they stated numerous times in oral and written form, " why bother? Crawles fideles!".
The reason the crawl method has since been used continuously for approaching the last 6,000 years is because it works so well. A bit more recently in this country, it’s a well known historical fact that Thomas Jefferson was observed teaching the method to George Washington in the upstairs living quarters of the White House when George was setting up his system just after his Inauguration. Interestingly, it is recorded that they did so while dining on beer and pizza. Also of note, Jefferson was introduced to the magical secrets of the crawl method by Benjamin Franklin at a clandestine Freemason meeting just years earlier in Philadelphia.
Given its long, proud and extremely effective history spanning centuries, I consider your attempt to abandon, or at least foreshorten the effective lifespan, of such a beloved, archaic and globally respected sub locating tool as the crawl method to be reprehensible, heretical, counter-productive, nonsensical and possibly criminal in most legal jurisdictions world-wide. My god man, Leonardo Da Vinci used the crawl method in establishing his controversial, and humankind’s first, 4-sub DBA system over 500 years ago.
I fail to comprehend your logic in casting aspersions and apparent lack of respect for a literally free technique, that has been so cherished, reliable and effective throughout the long and historic record of sub locating efforts, solely on the basis of not being sufficiently technologically sophisticated enough for your approval.
Well, we now clearly understand you’re not a Freemason.
Tim
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Hello dbphd,
I've missed talking with you! I think you forgot the basic truth about deploying subs in any given room:
Two subs perform twice as well as one, 4 subs perform twice as well as two and eight subs are valid grounds for divorce.
I know you realize that, unfortunately, the best course of action is to repair both non-functioning subs. The spectacular bass results of a 4-sub DBA system can only be realized with four functioning subs and non working subs have almost zero dollar value since they're of no use to almost everyone.
What repairs were done on the first subs you had repaired? The sooner you have them repaired, the sooner you'll be enjoying world-class bass performance on both music and HT.
Later,
Tim |
kgveteran: "
Tim,
We will agree to disagree, cheers mate !"
Hello cagey veteran,
How about we agree that the crawl method, even after 6,000 years of continuous successful usage, continues to be an excellent tool for optimally positioning subs in any room and it's free? You're always free to use your expensive measuring equipment to validate optimum sub positioning if you'd like.
Cheers to you, mate!
Tim
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Hello kgveteran,
Being a surgeon for over 40 years, I have developed a deep appreciation for accuracy, detail and precision. I’ve always strived to utilize the optimum instrument for every procedure, acutely realizing that utilizing the optimum instrument has the possible consequences of literally life or death.
In my 50 years of building and configuring my personal home audio/video systems, however, I’ve discovered that failing to utilize the optimum instruments in configuring and positioning my system transducers has possible consequences that are significantly less dire.
The truth is that there are at least two methods of optimally locating subs that individuals can utilize, the free crawl method I mentioned and the more expensive and technical method you mentioned.
Just as the Joker suggested to the Thief, there’s no reason for us to get excited, right? Individuals are rightly free to utilize either method or try both and adopt the configuration they perceive as best. Based on my experience, I can predict with confidence that the resulting sub room positions of the subs, no matter how many subs positioned, will not be significantly different and, more likely, will be remarkably similar.
Can we agree on this?
Timmie
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Hello kgveteran,
?...Wtf... ? You've chosen to be a cowardly baby chicken?
Tim
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Hello millercarbon,
Okay, thanks for elaborating and clearing things up. I didn't realize you were referring to music being played back via a 2-ch system compared to a multi-ch system. I was perceiving your comments more in the context of how I utilize my own combination system, using 2-ch exclusively for music playback and using multi-ch exclusively for HT playback.
I completely agree with you that, when comparing music played back on 2-ch vs multi-ch systems, by far the most important factor when it comes to being believable is quality and it matters far more than the number of channels. More channels in this case is not necessarily better.
I know many have built and enjoy high quality multi-ch music playback systems. While I readily admit that I currently have no experience or desire in doing so, I still suspect I'd be highly impressed by the sound quality of many multi-ch music systems others have built.
Reconsidering your comments in this context, however, I believe you're actually commenting more on the importance of quality in general rather than the superiority of 2-ch or multi-ch as a quality playback method more specifically.
I definitely agree with you on the importance of quality but also know it's possible to combine both in one system with shared components and speakers; a high quality 2-ch system for music playback and a high quality multi-ch system (up to a 9.1 with Atmos) for HT playback. I think we're both in agreement on this.
Tim
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Hello Ozzy,
I didn't realize you're a 4-sub distributed bass array concept adherent on your 2-ch music system. It seems like you decided to try the 4-sub DBA concept out with a vengeance; employing four $4,000 JL F-113 very high quality subs in one's 2-ch music system not only represents the most impressive example of any custom 4-sub DBA system I'm currently aware of, it's also extremely cool.
Congrats! I'm very interested in how you learned of the 4-sub DBA concept, what convinced you to give it a try, why you decided to use such high quality/expensive subs, how much of a discount you got buying the 4 JLs and your overall DBA performance impressions in your room.
Oh yeah, I disagree with your comment about the quality of subs being more important on music than HT. I believe using higher quality subs on both are easily discernable and improve performance. I think you and most would likely agree with me if they swapped out lesser subs for JL F-113s in their music or HT systems.
Thanks,
Tim
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Hey Ozzy,
You know what they say: 2 subs perform twice as well as 1, 4 subs perform twice as well as 2 and 8 subs are good grounds for a divorce.
I'm just using the four Audio Kinesis Debra subs, 1'x1'x2' with 10" drivers, and I'm getting near sota bass performance in my room for both music and HT. The only way I can even imagine the bass being improved is by using four JL F-113s
Enjoy,
Tim
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kgveteran,
I think we should be respectful of the OP and thread readers by ending this crawl method sidetrack and returning to the original post topic.
But, just for your entertainment, I wanted to let you know that I've been using the crawl method successfully since I moved out from underneath that proverbial rock.
You're welcome,
Tim
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dbphd:
"Tim won't like this, but my current plan is a stereo setup comprised of Ayre Series 5X Twenty components and KEF Ref 1s, and a surround/HT setup comprised of an Oppo 205, NAD M22, and a pair if NAD 268s with six LS50s. Current thinking is to use the Velodyne HGS-15s for stereo, the HGS-10s for surround, but that could be reversed. An Audible Illusions Modulus 3 might be used with the Thorens TD 124 in the stereo setup, making Roon, discs, and vinyl sources for stereo. HDMI from the disc players would be for video only."
Hello again DB,
I'm not upset, it just makes me think of that old saying: "You can lead a man to a DBA, but you can't make him use and enjoy it". Besides, it's really your loss if you decide not to deploy all 4 of your subs in a DBA for both music and HT.
Perhaps you just have some rare psychological or medical condition that causes an irrational aversion to near state of the art bass response. Sota Bass Phobia? Less Than Optimum Bass Conundrum? Compromised Bottom Syndrome?
Tim
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Hello DB,
Yes, I remember now you’ve never had 4 working subs in one room. I’d just like you to at least experience the near state of the art bass quality attainable in your room by utilizing all 4 subs in a properly positioned 4-sub DBA.
My opinion is that there’s a higher degree of elegance in a single system that’s capable of high quality performance for both stereo music and HT, especially if it incorporates a 4-sub DBA producing very high quality bass for both, because it requires more thoughtful design and will offer superior bass and overall performance on both.
I think it’d be a shame not to even try out the 4-sub DBA concept on either music or HT in your room because you have all the necessary component parts, once both subs are repaired, and I sincerely believe you’ll be amazed by the bass seamless integration with your main speakers as well as the extremely high bass quality. You'll probably have both subs repaired in any case, right?
Tim
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Hello DB,
Happy Thanksgiving!
I'm disappointed, you're not even going to give the 4-sub DBA concept a try? Please trust me, you'll be amazed if you give it a try on music or HT. I certainly was. C'mon, be adventurous.
Tim
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Hello kgveteran,
I don't know what millercarbon has against "horrid sounding HT" but, I know that with 1 to 4 subs optimally positioned in a room, HT does not sound horrid at all and works equally well for HT and music. I know this because I've been doing and listening to both HT and 2-ch music with a 4-sub DBA for over 5 years now.
I also wanted to let dbphd know that I recently bought an Oppo 205 for a reasonable to me premium of $2,100 and won't be needing his.
I haven't been following this thread as closely as I was earlier and was wondering how dbphd was doing with his system. Hopefully, he'll post again soon to let us know.
On a side note, I've been busy lately upgrading my own system from 1080p to 4K. I bought an Oppo 205 to replace my 105 and ordered a 4K LG C9 77" OLED hdtv to replace my Panasonic 1080p 65" plasma. I'm also having a local hi-end retailer treat my room fully as soon as I receive my order of required room treatments from GIK. This should be interesting and educational.
I'm also looking forward to watching that Over Lord disc you posted about.
Thanks,
Tim
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Hello DB,
Wow, you've been busy, too. Why the heck do your Velodynes keep going on the fritz?
You may be better off performance and cost wise by just selling your Velodynes to your Baldwin Hills repair guy and buying an Audio Kinesis 4-sub DBA system for about $3K. It'd be easier to move the subs around at 44 lbs each and the included 1K watt class AB amp/control unit would be more convenient since you'd be able to set the optimum volume, crossover frequency and phase on all 4 subs once as a group rather than individually as I think you do now.
I'm currently finalizing a plan for treating my entire room with GIK room treatment products and buying apre-owned Levinson 326S preamp and pair of Magnepan 3.7i speakers.
Later,
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