Sell your $$$ cables and conditioners... affordable LITHIUM is here!


I wanted to give you a frame of reference as to where I'm coming from and most importantly a first impression after 24hrs!
I've been an addict since my first system of KEF Concord speakers, Crimson Electric amps and an Ariston turntable back in college in '81. Since then I've been down the entire Linn system with Active Kabers, Full Meridian active system with DSP5200's as well as some burly NZ Perraux mono blocks with Sonus Faber when I lived in NZ. Since moving to the US in 2001 I've been through years of altercations between solid state camps from Bel Canto, Levinson stereo 336 to mono 436's, 532H and Mac 452 to speakers from B&W 802N and D2 to Wilson Sophia 2's, Sonus Faber Amati Homage and Revel Studio 2's. I've tried conditioners from Transparent, AQ Niagra, Isotek and others and every time come back to a decent cable straight from the wall.
Three years ago I took the plunge and went down the Devialet rabbit hole, streaming direct from a MacBook Air with ROON my Devialet D200 (soon to become a D400) drives my Focal Utopia Diablos via Analysis Plus Solo Crystal 8 speaker cables (and that's another whole can of worms with enormous cable differences), a JL Audio Fathom F110 (also about to be doubled up) rounds it out. My livening room is about 22x25 with 10ft ceilings and partially treated as best I can accommodate. 
Suffice to say, I've been around the block with hifi, listened to way more than my fair share at dealers and friends with diverse systems and currently run one of the most reveling systems I've ever heard. Sure, there's not that thick syrupy warmth the tube guys will clammer for, but then I'm hearing so much further into not just tonality but intent within the playing. 

If you read the review in Enjoy the Music from Tom Lyle, you'd see he equates the GZ Yeti to the $30k Stromtank. His review was the $400 Yeti 400. The Yeti 1000 was $1099, the 3kW Yeti 3000 is $2999 and will power almost anything. So, like Tom I took the plunge and bought a Yeti 1000 figuring it'd have plenty of 'headroom' for my meagre 600w consumption. (Though I have since plugged my JL Audio Fathom in too)

After playing the "FedEx f'ed up" again game, I finally went to their depot and picked up my new toy myself. After a handful of songs to establish a baseline for the evening, I simply plugged the Yeti 1000 in, reconnected the Devialet and sat back... My girlfriend was first to break the silence and then immediately regretted it as I couldn't help myself interrupting her for the next half hour of gushing over what a profound difference it was making.
H-U-G-E. Truly component level and an absolute game changer. 

I was immediately texting my good friend with his PS Audio Directstream, Gryphon Diablo, Audio Physic Avantera III all powered by the latest Synergistic Research Powercell 12SE and Gallileo power cord with AQ Hurricane to each component - SELL- SELL- SELL it all, get a Goal Zero! 

We stayed up until 2am listening, flipped it back for a handful of now unlistenable tracks and then back again to Yeti 1000 happiness. In over six hours of powering my Devialet and Fathom at 90+db levels it'd dropped to a laughable 98%. I'm guessing that means it'd run off the grid for 300hrs or more? That's probably a several months of listening for most people. Who even cares, it simply sounds spectacular and the single biggest improvement I've ever heard from anything less than a major amp or speaker upgrade. 

I know my system is fairly frugal and green running, my buddy Matts, Gryphon would probably need the 3000W Yeti as his amp pulls 1900W at full song and his full stack of components albeit front end certainly add a few hundred more.   He's headed down to me in a couple of week with a stack of exotic power cables and conditioners  to try and I can't wait to share my results - I'm guessing he'll want to steal it away for his own demo right after. I would imagine he'd even get away with the Yeti 1000, so long as he doesn't run it too hard?
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Showing 8 responses by oldhvymec

Did you read what I wrote?. I did not remove any of the heat sensors on the heatsinks or otherwise....just the one on the bottom of the battery. I did not remove any of the "two hour fire protection" or whatever? you imagine.

I read exactly what you wrote, did you READ what you wrote?

What you removed is the fire protection... Simple. In the event of a fire it's all over. This is protection leading up to the fire, not after the fact. You missed the point. YOU will probably never have the problem. I hope NOT.
As an old wore out heavy EQ mechanic. I stay out of trouble,  I DON'T GET OUT OF TROUBLE...BUT I've helped many that have "been in the business since the late 70s".

I never J walk, EVER! Most traffic/pedestrian deaths in the WORLD are attributed to J WALKING. and NOT paying attention to the SIGNS...
"Do Not remove" is one of those signs.. READ!! The heat sensor is just that, a heat sensor, it only provides a signal to, shut down, cool down, or restart. It offers no physical protection. These batteries are very toxic when burning.VERY!!!

I trust what I do. I have been in this business since the late 70s.
WHAT BUSINESS??? You mean tinkering with stereo gear? Playing
with STUFF? In the business implies you have been properly trained.
Rule # 1 Safety First
Rule # 2 Safety Second
Rule # 3 refer back to rules 1 & 2

I started with MONO, 16rmp 78rpm then 33s, how long ago is that? LONG TIME mate.
The protection is for your neighbor NOT YOU, obviously.
"The business" when it comes to electrical it's simple, don't trust anyone or anything, check check check... and then recheck... 

The unit as it stands, with its top and sides and bottom off....sitting up off the floor on pieces of wood (so air circulates around the bottom of the battery).
   
 WOW, so you remove the fire protection, add a little kindling (on wood) an extra supply of O2 and "it never gets hot", WOW, I mean WOW.
This is the epitome of , "EXACTLY WHAT NOT TO DO"
Why did you remove it to begin with? REALLY WHY? Was it running hot?
Shutting down? WHY? If there was no problem, running cool enough, ect why remove it, You crack me up.  Mechanics nightmare for sure...

I remember when I was a kid 1958-60, my father comes home with pictures of a single engine jet fighter, I can't remember the model, F86-100 era, USAF MMAG group (military maintenance advisory group). The nose on the aircraft was gone, GONE. a single nicad battery failed. BOOM!!!! More damage than in actual combat and landed. yup yup...
He was amazed it landed, and no injuries.

As far as the "divine mother", I'll stick with the "Divine Father", though gender neutral. LOL

Still a cool Idea, just be safe everyone. It's not ok to remove any protection on ANY type of battery. It is there for you , and YOUR NEIGHBORS.

Respectfully and with regards, I bid you adieu...


Everyone has their own fear threshold. Evolution is noticing your fear based beliefs and transforming them into the infinite possibilities that is our diving nature. If you do not want to grow then you will defend your fear based beliefs........you know, being DEAD right.....taking it to your grave. I choose to live in the infinite eternal love and joy that exists right now. I let go of fear based beliefs for the benefit of all mankind. For my liberation is everyones......we are all connected. Whatever we think, say, feel and do effects everyone on the planet......we are that powerful. I wish everyone infinite joy and love......for that is what you already are.



Yade Yade Yade.... Just don't burn down the house. Geez maneez, what planet are you on. FIRE PROTECTION. Against flames and in the event of an internal problem... AGAIN BAD IDEA. 


Do not remove the fire protection, you may be in love with the universe and all of its glory, but when it's on FIRE, a fire extinguisher will do fine. That's common since.  You have exposed a battery that should NEVER be in an open environment, with or without people.. EVER. House fire, bomb on the floor. Internal problems, catches the house on fire, Earth to planet  "Ur being an Anus". LISTEN... or  not  just please rent or buy somewhere other than the 94509 area code. LOL

AGAIN why did you remove it in the first place?? It's like reasoning with a Klingon, The Grand nagus said it, I didn't.. LOL

Respectfully maybe...God loves ya, and I'm trying, how's that???
This discussion has gone off trail. Could we go back to discuss the benefits of running our gear on batteries.

This is the discussion, pros, cons. Pros: Very good source of clean energy. Cons:  No cons as long as WE FOLLOW the operating instructions.

Most folks understand why there is fire protection. Just like running a bare conductor in a wall.  We use to do it. Knob and Tube. NOW we have all bare conductors in a mechanical structure with enviro, fire and a common junction point for protection. 

This unit is very unique, and a GREAT idea. I'm thinkin' a pair of 1400 or a single 3000. I seldom turn the music off. So 24/7 is my goal.  I'd like to know WHY?? the protection was removed.  I haven't  figured if it's because of a fan coming on? I ask twice. Is that the reason? I just want to know if it can run 24/7.  NO MODS. LOL
I can deal with the fan during real serious set downs, tune in, and tune out  out sessions.

Can anyone else tell me, is that the reason? the fan noise? With a pair, I can set down, switch, and listen while the other is charging and not making noise, ay?? That was the second question and a third question I never got to. I got a little off track. That was not my intention.  Third point was cost? Are the batteries from the units just larger in size or are there just more cells, in a 3000 vs a 1400 and are the batteries interchangeable on any of the models? Anyone know or do any of the folks run 24/7. 

I'm always breaking in cables and sometimes signal valves (tubes)
12AT,AU,AX,AZs. 20 plus days a month. Making, cooking then finishing up the breakin on couple of systems.  Now does that make better since why I need to be safer than most.. Dog, Bunny, Blind spouse really, no kidding.

Being all Zened up is fine I just need the information, not the meditation.
BUT medication will cure most ailments. In this case tapper off the green one a bit, ay. hee hee

1. 24/7?
2. current cost of batteries, ava, and BTG cost. Is there a disposal fee?
3. interchangeable?

Anyone??

Regards

nevillekapadia
80 posts
09-05-2019 2:59am
I have been following this thread for the use of the the Goal Zero Yeti, and then suddenly came across this on Kickstarter and took a plunge of getting the 1300 unit. Close to half the price of the Yeti1400.
Let's see how it works out as I will just use my digital front end for it.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ecoflow/delta-the-new-standard-of-battery-powered-generator 

I looked at this. Do you get a product or a promise to get one. I don't quite follow what's going on. 20 plus pages keeps going on about a pledge. Sure a nice looking unit. Lifetime battery warranty, quiet...
I really don't see a place to ask questions without a being a "sponsor".
Did you get a pretty ferm ETA?

I'm gonna do something within two weeks. Total solar with a really good backup system. I think there is some (rebate/tax/something to help with panels and such) money on the table if it's done right. I have to check on that. Tired of PG&Es save energy crap, Save any more I'll be using candles.
Regards
The fan noise is a problem for most audiophiles. Tom Lyle bought a Yeti 1000 for his big Pass Amp and puts it in a closet so he does not hear the fan. My friend just bought the 3000 and the fan turns on as soon as he turns on his big Pass amp.

Thanks that is what I was looking for. 

The Kickstart units mentioned above require a temp range from XX to XX to give the best battery life. Not to cool not to hot. Warranty for life.

The question is the life of the battery or the life of the COMPANY. Which ever dies first? They are a startup, may be the best thing ever. I just want a little support for the next 15-20 if I could.  I'm a BIG Mac fan for just that reason. Quality, reliability, and longevity. Love my class Ds too. just love um. I have a pair of VTL 300 deluxe I had a long time. I just wonder how they would perform. Serious consumers, but truly custom tailored to my HF sensitive ears with planars. BAD VAC my ears just can't take it with planars. Clean VAC, nothing like it. VAC is VERY clean here, AND EXPENSIVE. I like the "sell back to PG&E" part, on solar. I'd like the biggest bang for the buck and a pretty decent reserve, in the event of, whatever..

I just swapped Brain 565s, and tubes for the warmer month ALREADY here. It is warming up where I'm at. 80+ a few day.. C2500, and Nords one ups. Just a wonderful combo with planars. But the 300s and 12k class Ds or the 565s for the bass, I would love to run um, but man oh man, 16 KT 90 valves at about 95 db, the meter is flying, and the room boilin'. AGAIN 20 + days at 24/7 lots of $$$. Electric consumption winter or summer, is pretty close. The stereo heats the house in the winter. I swap to cool the house in the sommer, and the extra VAC is consumed by Air conditioning. I just for once want to sell it BACK ... LOL

Thanks and regards


whiznant
10 posts07-04-2020 2:28pmI’ve had a Jackery Explorer 1000 in the system for a couple of days now and yes, the improvements are real. Just better across the board. I think the biggest improvement for me was the added three dimensionality. All the instruments and voices have acquired more corporeality, which leads the system just sounding much more realistic, as if the performers are three dimensional instead of flat, not extending past the plane of the speakers. I’m thrilled with the improvements quite honestly.

WOW.... Really, quite some improvement...Now that is some serious juice.;-)

I went with a 3000. I noticed no difference. But my needs were pretty heavy. There was no real fix for me, with the fan noise.  I couldn't use it with my bass setup, just too hungry... So I had fan noise, no SQ change, and I was dealing with a ground loop noise  because of separate circuits between Bass and the rest of the system..
I got rid of the noise ground loop.. But the fan noise, and the fact, it's there....This Battery thing, with my Gear... It lasted 2 months. Neighbor bought it..

Regards..
I have a question?

No problems with explosions? It's my understanding you don't want to have a problem with a lithium base battery of ANY kind. Smart charger or not.  I've personally seen quite a few lead acid batteries blow the tops out. I was surprised the damage they can cause, blew 2x4s in half in a dedicated charging room.  Didn't have enough ventilation, off gassing was ignited everytime, hooking a battery charger to banks of batteries.  I saw the same person do it 3 times in a pretty short period. He was sent to the principals office. LOL I recall there was a few issues with lithium batteries. So are they inside the domicile, or outside? Just wondering. I'm pretty picky with my old ears, but I really don't want to BLOW them off either. lol Cool idea though!!!!

Regards
So are they inside the domicile, or outside?

They are inside your home.

  I have been using a Yeti 400 on my highly modded Oppo 205 for many months....really sounds great. I have removed the cover, bottom and sides and removed the heat sensor from underneath the battery. Now, the fan never turns on. The fact that it is mostly open allows much more heat to be removed naturally. I did not remove any other heat sensors.


Yes this is what I suspected. Please NO ONE DO THIS. This is very unsafe. There is a reason for that protection.  I'm in the USA.  The two (2) hour rating you removed is there for a reason.  How many "DO NOT REMOVE" signs did you removed, before removing the "FIRE" protection...You may not be home when it catches fire and burns the house down., OR THE NEIGHBORS, like me with the blind spouse, dog and a bunny...

Fear not, you are loved. Love is all there is. May you all feel the infinite love and joy that your are!

WOW just a little to ZEN for me, how about "you reap what you sow".
Take off the fire protection, you might burn the house down..

Respectfully

Still a cool idea