Schumann Resonator
There is an assumption that some of the desirable qualities of a good system are not measurable. I wonder how someone from my world (research and statistics) would try and tackle that. Take one quality often cited as unmeasurable but highly desirable and strongly influenced by cables / resonators / power supplies / fuses : soundstage. Why not play 100 people a track and get them to draw what they “see”. Like this. Then bring the Schuman device or whatever into the listening room and ask 100 different people to listen to the same track and do their drawings. Simple statistical analysis of the two sets of drawings would reveal if the soundstage has become wider, or if the instruments are more distinct in their position within it. The same drawing would also reveal “clearer deeper bass”. Be fun to try, anyway. |
Some useful info : https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4352 |
Hey MC, “pervert” here, Yes, I was being facetious. I can read and understand a Wikipedia article just like you can. By the way, have you tried turning the fuses around in your resonators? How about switching the direction of the copper in power leads? I can only imagine the further leaps in sound quality if you put the resonators on some springs. And the power leads on some ceramic mushrooms. |
Come on guys. ‘Curiosity killed the cat’. Ever known a cat that doesn’t sniff out something new? Perhaps it scent-marked it too. Maybe that aroma is what caused the lovely night of sleep. Maybe the cat sleeping under the bed and not in it is what led to better sleep. We’ve just got to hope MC doesn’t start advocating human sacrifices to the resonating gods. “Trust your ears - if spilt blood over your cables enhances the soundstage, then it does.” |
Mijostyn, Indeed. The Enlightenment is not complete. Maybe there is a rational and evolutionary reason for irrationality and it will be with us forever. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01245738 Mahgister, And you think that putting under the bed for a better sleep this 10 bucks device is a social crime? No - provided it isn’t being marketed as a medical device, or unless advertised in a way that is dishonest or untruthful. But yes, it is a social crime if people - through no fault of their own - have their hopes raised by misleading and unsubstantiated claims, and have money taken from them on the basis of false hope, and in the worst case put their health and well-being in the hands of merchants of lies. The people who do this may not be criminals, but profiteering through being misleading is offensive to good society. |
Check out Space Tech Audio Labs, they have some VERY serious looking ones. I love all their stuff, looks like 1950’s particle accelerator gear.Still giggling at this. Of course it looks like 1950s particle accelerator gear. When it does, it makes you think it is VERY serious. This is why they are able to sell it at a higher price and bigger margin. They are laughing all the way to the bank. |
But i dont like when people apeak always of "placebo effect".... An incremental series of positive changes accumulating in months cannot be illusory....On the contrary. Believers in homeopathy become more and more convinced over time that their water has healing properties. They seek confirmation biases and use them as ‘proof’. We see it all the time, even on this forum. In a life of 70 years there will be nights of good sleep and nights of poor sleep. Put a box and a cat under your bed, and when the next night is a good sleep then that is due to the box. And the cat. Or the cat. Or maybe the effect of going to bed convinced you are going to get a good nights sleep. Or random chance. I watched Synergistic Research’s own video demo of their HFTs. Untreated room, level 1, 2, 3 etc. They never said “you can’t tell with a short listen”. They said each time there was obvious change, they described the change and directed us to it, and that we could hear it over a video quality feed with poor recording. You know I’m a skeptic but even I wondered if I could hear a difference when the salesman directed me to a certain sound after a ‘change’. So I asked my son to take the audio stream and run it in his LogicPro tools at a resolution far higher than the original broadcast. We chopped out the repeating music played at each level of the test and anonymised the samples. We shuffled the order to blind each other. We placed them as tracks so we could switch between them for hundreds of listens. There was no difference between them that we could identify when there was no ‘direction’ from the salesman, and when there was no self-direction from knowing which sample was which. Those ‘changed’ sounds we were directed to by the salesman were, you guessed it, there in every sample. It wasn’t that we couldn’t identify which type of sound went with which level of treatment - we couldn’t hear or see any difference at all when blind. Of course, if he switched to vinyl, or switched the speakers, the differences would be huge. I’m aware of some of my own biases, and unaware of course of others I have. Maybe I wanted not to hear difference. So by zooming in to the frequency responses in great detail, the patterns were, physically, the same. Maybe I should post them here. Just like the cup and ball trick. Avoid the misdirection of the magician, and avoid your own biases, and you might get to keep your money. We never do though! |
Hi Maghister - I’d never call you or anyone ‘nuts’ ! And I’ve always included myself and indeed all of us as persons vulnerable to placebo and confirmation bias. And I am totally with you when it comes to experimentation, especially the affordable type! At least you acknowledge the existence and role of confirmation bias. I’ve enjoyed hearing your experiments. What is a red rag for me is when some posters here either refuse to accept these phemonema exist, or refuse to accept they are vulnerable to them. Over and again we have “I turned my fuse around to improve my sound and I’m sure it improved my sound. Therefore turning a fuse around makes systems sound better. And you can’t deny it because I trust my ears!” We all of us should acknowledge our confirmation/optimism bias as a factor in tweaking, or produce some evidence which is free of that bias, before suggesting folks should part with their hard-earned money. |
Earlier in the thread I suggested optimism or confirmation bias accounted for the perceived benefits of homeopathy and resonators. I hope it is coincidence that you woke up with headaches. But FOR GOODNESS SAKE don’t put dodgy electronics under your pillow unless they are certified medical devices prescribed by a registered doctor!!!! |
