Schroeder vs. Triplanar VII Sonic Differences


All,

I have read a lot of threads regarding the "superiortiy" of these tonearms in the right combinations of tables and catridges. However, there doesn't seem to be a lot said about the soncic characteristics of each brand and the differences between them. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about their strengths and weaknesses, sonci characteristics, applicability to various types of music (rock, pop, classical, large scale, small scale, etc).

Will a Schroeder deliver dynamics, punch, bass suited to Rock music? Will a Triplanar deliver natural, timbral accuracy? Are both these arms suited to the same music?

Thanks in advance,

Andrew
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Showing 3 responses by rauliruegas

Dear Andrew: I never had the opportunity to hear the Kuzma Airline. I owned the EMT and Dennesen linear traking tonearms and heard the Air Tangent one and certainly the sound is different and I mean different but not necessary better. I agree with Sirspeedy about the setup of this kind of tonearms.

I preffer the pivot ones, these have more " guts " than the linear traking airline. I like more the bass resolution and the right pitch of the pivoted designs against the linear trakers.
KHA preffer the Universe sound on the Kuzma one and certainly this combo is better than the Universe with the other tonearms at least in the quality sound reproduction priorities of KHA.

Like almost any " play " in audio the name of the game is: synergy, if we can find the right synergy around our audio device components we will be on music sound reproduction heaven it does not matter if the tonearms are pivoted or linear trakers.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Andrew: The 73db of gain in your phonopreamp seems right for medium to high output cartridges. The low output ones and the very low output can't be handled with out noise/distortions.

Now the gain is only one of the characteristics in a good phonopreamp, noise/distortions is other one and the most important/critical is the accuracy of RIAA eq.. Per se, this inverse RIAA eq. is the reason why the phonopreamp exist, this inverse RIAA eq. ( in many ways ) define the quality sound reproduction of the phonopreamp against the recording process where was used the RIAA standard for any LP. So the Phonopreamp inverse RIAA eq. must to mimic the RIAA standards, any deviation in the inverse RIAA standard ( and we are talking here about fractions of decibel ) not only put colorations/distortions on the sound but more important give us a " phantom " from the original recording with additions/remove of " sounds " that were not or were in the original recording.
That deviation most be in the : +,- 0.05 db from 20 Hz to 20 kHz. Where are your CAT? or yours?

Of course your phonopreamp or any other could or could not achieve that spec but as faraway it is the great that " degraded phantom " and as near it is as near you are from what is recorded on the LP, that is what we are looking for.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Andrew: You already stated that you can't go wrong with either tonearm and you are right.

+++++ " Will a Schroeder deliver dynamics, punch, bass suited to Rock music? Will a Triplanar deliver natural, timbral accuracy? Are both these arms suited to the same music? " +++++ You already receive the YES on these questions.

So what is all about: in my opinion almost only the tonearm designers could think that their design is the best one, unfortunatelly we can't take a tonearm choice only for its design there are several factors around that choice that we have to take in account: guarantee, quality control, price, which one likes you, with which one you will feel happy, wich one mates better to your TT, manufacturer support, inside wires quality, tonearm facilities and the most important of all with wich cartridges do you want to match.
This one factor is really critical to obtain what you are looking for: you can take, for example, a Shelther 90x cartridge in both tonearms and maybe you like more on the Triplanar ( example ) but this fact does not means that the Triplanar is better than the Schroeder it tell me that the 90X works better with the TP, that's all. Btw, there are some other tonearms alternatives out there like: Ikeda, Moerch, Brinkman, Phantom, Vector, SME, etc, etc.

Tom mentioned another top crucial link to obtain the best on the quality sound reproduction: the Phonopreamp.

+++++ " I'm attempting to achieve this same combo in an analog system but to an overall higher degree. " +++++

If this is what you really want then along with the tonearm/cartridges/TT you have to choose the right/best Phonopreamp for the task you are looking for: you can't go here with a lesser than the best device.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.