Sad news - Jay sold his new Rockport Lyra speakers


Just released, after five months of mystery, new speakers that replaced the Wilson chronosonic $350 mil speakers, that were announced with all kinds of fanfare just a few weeks ago are on their way out.

So the $200,000 Rockport lyras, we learn in a dramatic and solemn 90 minute video, were not acceptable so they had to go.

Not everyone has a forum that allows disposal of speakers as does Jay. How incredibly difficult it must be for anyone to make such a serious investment and then be disappointed. And the rest of us who didn’t buy the speakers at a discount will somehow come to terms with a $50-$80,000 loss and that’s just downright depressing.

How does one buy speakers in the vast six digits range? And then how difficult it must be to admit to yourself, and then to your wife, that you’re unhappy. And then how does one muster the courage to go on and purchase another incredibly expensive speaker. Personally I found buying every audio component incredibly annoying and challenging yet you carry on hoping the prize at the end of the unpleasant journey Will be worth it.

Personally I think all the time about upgrading my speaker and then when I see things like this I’m at a loss as to what to do. These types of miserable experiences should be Hidden from public view as it impacts all of us. It’ll be a while before I get over this, maybe I should begin focussing on my thoughts to upgrade my pre-amplifier or replace tubes on my amplifier. Or maybe I should just learn to be satisfied with what I have.

 

 

 

 

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Showing 8 responses by mahgister

Great posts!

You nail the North American rythm obsession : speed...

You just forgot that the time it takes to know a component inside our system"room is way longer than few months generally ...

It does not concern break-in and our perception and tastes mainly not even the sinergy level between the pieces...

It is related to all modifications and optimizatioon process and with the devices and methods we will use to put this new pieces in the acoustic whole... What i called embeddings of a piecve of gear in his three working dimensions : electrical, mechanical, and purely acoustical working dimensions...

It takes more than a few months , sometimes more than a year to figere out how and why with what...

It is incredible to view recviewers go from one piece to another : they wrap off , plug to the wall , in the best case they wait few hours break-in ...

After that another pieces is reviewed, nevermind if they keep the same room and keep the same other pieces with no new embeddings controls for the next piece...

This has nothing to do with an informed audiophiles buying something because it is necessary knowing why, and takes a year to figure out how to put in in the acoustic, electrical and mechanical whole of the house/room/system/ears  in such a way that the resulty will be unique and non identical to any other house/room/system/ears experience... With a balance with all acoustics factors implied ...😊

 

 I like reviewers for their human aspects and few bits of  "limited" information they may provide... Thats all ...

They sell they dont explain what to do really ... Even the better...Why ?

Because no sellers will explain why no piece of gear is a solution by itself tto the final acoustic experience results...

How to sell a costly piece of gear if it is not a perfect one perfect solution ? If this piece of gear can be replaced by a less costlier one but which will be better embedded in the house/room/system/ ears-brain perceptual fields ?

 at best they will speak of necessary synergy and his electrical conditions thats all ..

 

You cannot trust reviewers not because they are not hones, but because they are like the average consumers often and their solution if we  are not satisfied with a piece of gear is always the same : upgrading ...Because for them the costlier the better to reach optimal acoustic experience ... 😊

 

Living and working in Europe 25 years ago I saw a different perspective.  We Americans do not get a lot of vacation time so Americans typically will tour Europe by visiting one city per day or so.  Europeans saw that as shallow, that to experience a place one must “live” there a while.  Spend a week or two in a place to get to know it.  Easier to do with a 6 week vacation schedule.  But the same applied with eating out.  It took me some time to slow down and enjoy a two- three hour dinner in much of Europe.  It was ironic when I moved back to the US and got annoyed by the frequent interruptions by my server and felt rushed having to leave the table after an hour.  

Same thing with a stereo system.  It takes some time to really get to know a component- especially a speaker.  Sure, the wrong component could become apparent rather quickly and a correction is needed.  Maybe that is where buying used is an advantage- much less break-in time needed.  I know I have been in a bad relationship with a stereo component before.  Breaking up is hard.  I went through those stages:  This is not what I was expecting.  Maybe I can make this work.  This isn’t working.  What do I do now?  This thing has to go.  What do I replace it with and how will I know it is not another bad decision?  Why am I in this hobby?  Is it me? And so on.  It can be rough.

He is an honest person as much as many others reviewers...

Reviewers sells but they can do it in a way which is informative or not...

Then i think you are right ...

 

Let's assume Jay is in the pockets of the high-end brands and isn't out of pocket for any costs. Then what's the incentive for him NOT to do Steve Huff puff-reviews where everything new is the best thing since Sydney Sweeny's cleavage?

If he makes mistakes vis a vis gear choices that don't jibe with his evolving tastes, the insinuation is he's the Wizard of Oz and the curtain is torn. How about he's just a human being making a play to do something he likes to make money, thus sometimes he gets mud on his face, but more often than not if you listen carefully to what he says about everything from speaker impedance and placement issues to a DAC or server's software UI or a preamplifier's synergy with other components in his system, you get high-end gear insights you won't get anywhere else. 

I just don't get the animosity Jay seems to engender in some people, it seems less to do with him and more to do with the Audiogon community.

Good questions...

Jay reviews interest mostly people able to afford it...

I am in no need for these gear pieces... I listen sometimes his reviews for his character...😊

Also i am curious about his journey...

he is paramount example of an audiophile who buy stuff so pricey, he cannot modify them in any way ...😊

For a long time he does not even adress the room ...

my journey is complete opposite : i bought good low cost gear i optimized and modified with complete success and magical results because i also adress the room first and last... As did old audiophiles long time ago it seems ..

I do not solder though... I study basic acoustics not electronics design... I trust  engineers more than myself about that ...

 

I was sad to sell my Tannoy dual gold concentric because they did not fit on my desk...😁

 

We can be sad to sell a good product that we cannot use in some room acoustic for example or for our specific needs...

 

Whatever we may think about his reviews and knowledge...

For me Jay is honest as are the most honest reviewers... Many are honest...

I say that even if i am not interested by high end very costly products for myself...

We cannot ask to a reviewer what we can ask from a long term user of a product .Reviewers must sell at the end of the day with + or - honesty...We must read here between their lines...

Consumers buy and plug ..

Audiophiles modify,optimize,tweaks and learn acoustics once synergy is reached and do all there is to do to make upgrading not so much tempting and necessary ....

I dont need to listen to my gear anymore because i listen music now... Thanks acoustics basic... 😊

For someone as me or a regular dude , learning concretely by hearing them , what a pair of speakers can do in a room for your specific ears with specific gear , ask for a very long time of experiments in acoustic to finetune and optimize the speakers...

Then plugging them in a wall and reviewing them appear to me preposterous... Only reviewers must do that...

i cannot hide my defect... 😊

@mahgister you’re a standup philosopher. Lol

You earned the title and it has nothing to do with what you’re advocating

Acoustics ( which is not mere room acoustic) rule audio experience not gear price tag...

It takes Jay many years and hundred of amplifiers reviews to learn that...😊

And some here call me bullshitter because i advocate a rational and wise ratio S.Q./price ... What i called relatively low cost for a minimal acoustical satisfaction threshold...

( Some dont understand the word "/relatively"/ i used because we all differ in budget, needs, and goal; they ask me how much ? 😊)

Probably because sound experience is the result of purchase instead of experiments and optimal installation for them ...

The marketing consumerism is so potent people had forgot that audiophilia was about creativity ... Then some of these "rich" or deluded owners of very costly gear call me "tin foil hat" ...They cannot fathom the idea that a 1,000 bucks system or a 10,000 bucks one can be top audiophile experience for many reasons...

 

OP dont upgrade your speakers if they sound acceptable BEFORE studying the many ways to improve them on all aspects by mechanical,electrical and acoustical simple methods and devices...

 

«Play with me my Dear instead of upgrading me»--Groucho Marx🤓