Rogue Audio. Reliability issues? Anyone?


I recently have been loving an Atlas Magnum power amplifier. I had a tube go bad, a fuse blow, and now red-plating. All of this could be related. But I am trying to decide if I want to pay shipping both ways ($90 each way), pay Rogue’s $175 bench fee (minimum) and then spend ungodly amounts on tubes that are hard to find.

I have friends, two to be exact, inform me that Rogue is notorious for this crap and their amplifiers are money pits. Is this normal tube stuff? Should I go for it or cut my losses and buy something else. I really love the way it sounds amd I really want to love Rogue. 

128x128nickrobotron

Showing 3 responses by facten

@nickrobotron "I have friends, two to be exact, inform me that Rogue is notorious for this crap and their amplifiers are money pits."

Do your friends have firsthand experience with Rogue amps to make this claim? If they do which amps and what were the problems. I had a Rogue Cronus integrated for a few years, zero trouble with it. Also, and maybe I've missed them , but I don't recall seeing threads here or elsewhere thrashing Rogue amplifier reliability. Feel free to correct me on that by posting some links.

The amp uses KT120s

Per the amp’s manual:

Using the bias tool, slowly turn the screw on the potentiometer that is adjacent
to the switch until the bias meter reads ~ 35 miliamps (mA). Turn the screw
clockwise to lower the bias and counterclockwise to raise the bias. Note that
there are two ends on the bias tool. Using the end with the recessed
screwdriver will greatly facilitate this operation.
9) Flip the switch back into the “run” position thus disengaging the tube from the
meter circuit.
10) Repeat the above steps for each of the tubes in both channels.
As it is a quick operation, the tube bias should be checked on a regular basis. Note
that the bias will change slightly on a day to day basis as the wall voltage
fluctuates. Constant biasing will wear out the bias potentiometers prematurely so
do not adjust the bias unless it is more than 4-5 mA from the correct setting.

The Op didn’t state how many approximate hours he has on the tubes, but unless they are all nearing end of "expected life" , there’s no reason to replace all since each is individually biased. That said, the bigger immediate issue for the Op based upon a google search is that new KT120’s appear to be out of stock at a number of vendors.

 
Not sure I follow this statement by the Op "So much attention went into matched tubes. How am I supposed to just replace one tube and throw out all that paid-for attention to detail? "
 
Other than selecting matched quad when ordering there's not a whole lot of attention required

 

As I mentioned in an earlier post I had a Rogue Cronus Magnum a number of years back, never had an issue with it. Sold it only because I wasn’t a fan of the sound of KT 90 tubes , solid state sounding to my ears. I presently have 3 integrated tube amps: an Ayon Audio Spirit 2 originally in my main system now in my 2nd system, zero issues with that for more than 12 years or so; a Line Magnetic 518IA in my main system , zero issues for 7 years; a Finale Audio 7189 MK2 also in my main system, zero issues for 5 1/2 years. Aside from those I have a Modwright Audio Elysee tube DAC in my 2nd system (previously in my main system) , as well as, a Modwright Audio LS100 tube preamp in my main system (hooked to the Modwright SS power amp in my main system). Both of the Modwrights have been trouble free for going on 9 years. Point of all of this is tube equipment isn’t necessarily any more prone to problems than solid state gear. Knowing that the power tubes have less expected life than the preamp tubes or rectifier tubes I change them out when they are nearing that point. The 2 integrated amps that are manual bias I check the bias once a month, and if I find a tube or tubes falling out of bias repeatedly on the high side beyond an acceptable level I replace them. You didn’t note anywhere in your posts the age of the tubes, nor your bias routine and how that measures up to Rogue’s instructions so hard to know if you possibly contributed to your problem or not. That said, given your angst about tubes maybe take some time researching solid state amps that meets your SQ goals coupled with a good reputation of reliability and sit back and enjoy the music instead of fretting over whether or not a tube is going to send your amp repeatedly back to the manufacturer.