I have heard the m6 and rockports at goodwins and also the m5 for 2 hours at another dealer. For my tastes, the rockports are more musical speakers. The magicos are too detailed to the point of listener fatigue that sets in after half hour. What good are highest resolution speakers if you can't listen to them. Rockports have dynamics and extension matching the magicos and have warmth and bloom that magicos lack. I was actually considering these speakers for my newly built audio room but I have found a pair of speakers I enjoy more than either of these speakers for a fraction of their price. Go figure-the most enjoyable and rewarding speakers are not these megabuck speakers stereophool and the crapsolute sound are drooling over. |
koegz, I was not implying you are a fool because you read stereophile or tas. Just that those mags are highly over rated and don't have necessarily have your best interest in mind when they 20 different speakers as best of the best. I used to read those mags religiously 20 years ago. No apology needed.
Soix, looks like you have been reading up on my posts. Yes I have chosen to go with the Ridge Street Audio Sason. The improved version floats my boat like no other speaker in my last three years of auditioning for a reference speaker. I selected to get the Dueland CAST caps and resistors for the cross over. Cost is close to $13k with the upgrades but still peanuts compared to these speakers approaching $100k. I didn't want to sound like I was schilling these speakers. I have no financial ties to RSA. |
Aoliviero, you're welcome. I had no intention really of bringing up the Sason speakers other than what you asked. I, in fact, answered the same way on another thread about speaker comparison and did not reveal my speakers. But Koegz guessed correctly and asked, so I replied. Sammy is a tool and just couldn't leave it alone. Goodwins in MA has the best acoustically treated room I have ever been in. It really shows off the equipment without the room acoustics getting in the way of the music. If you can, go have a visit. They are very professional and a top notch dealer. |
Samuel, I gave my opinion and don't need a lecture from you. If you found my remarks snide and self-congradulating which you seem to be so proficient at, I'm not losing sleep over it. Where did I say this speaker sucked vs another? I liked the Rockports, but found the Magicos fatiguing. I was not trying a detailed review. Context? Both of these speakers are close to 100K driven by same 100K electronics in a same 200k dedicated audio room by one of the most respected dealer in the country (Goodwins). Don't you think they should sound spectacular? "Wonderful trade marks of high end we should promote"? Do you work for one of these companies who continue to make over priced speakers (that's my opinion since you don't understand the concept of opinion)? Oh sorry, seems like you are poster boy for Wilson speakers (enough said). Tired old magazine rips? Where have you been the 30 years ago when Stereophile only had several components in their Class A category, now it's filled with so many components it's useless. All of these class A components seem to have significant amounts of ads in Stereophile. Remember the Bob Carver-Stereophile challenge debacle? Give me break. I don't need some idiotic lecture from you. |
Sammy you remind of a college professor who held himself above his colleagues and students but was the butt of everyone's jokes. You are full of self congradulatory remarks and snobby lecturing on how one should post an opinion the way you like it. Unlike you, I actually do take a side and give MY OPINION while explaining why I don't like one product over the other. But you swing both ways and never pick a side, just like most HE press reviews of products with significant ad contributions, fear of offending the manufacturer. I let this be my last post regarding you as long as you keep out of my posts. |
"Both the Magico's and Rockports have great musical triggers given the right system. Both lines offer diversity in choice and have survived brutal commercial market tests to become and remain successful at dealers. That's more than can be said for some of the "out of nowhere" designs that get pub and sell direct based on audiogon reviews."
Dear misguided Samuel,
By "out of nowhere" designs, I think you are implying RSA Sasons and other of similar pedigree. So you think Wilsons, Magicos, and Rockports that spend megabucks on ads in Stereophile and TAS are only deserving for your consideration. I'm not surprised by the statement comming from a typical audiophile snob like you these small but highly innovative designers have to face. And you have not even heard the Sasons. Are speakers like the Sasons below you, oh great audiophile in your ivory tower? |
Your quoting the low end response of the Sasons, which you have never heard, as some great negative? The Magico Mini ($30k) does not have the bass quality of the Sasons. I have extensively listened to both, albeit in multiple separate settings. Not in one case, have I heard the Magico sound nearly as good.
Conspiracy? There is no conspiracy, just advertizing dollars the drives bulk of the reviews in HE audio mags these days. When JGH started Stereophile, the reviews were driven by magazine sales.
Have fun with your Wilsons. Those mega ads and Stereophile reviews must have impressed you. |
Aoliviero, my apologies. I didn't mean to hijack your thread. But Samuel, who chose to judge a speaker by a spec without ever an audition, needs to be corrected. Like I said, I prefer the Rockports over the Magicos any day. But if you like the Magico sound, you should also consider the Wilsons. |
"That is admirable, however making the statement that you found a pair of speakers at a fraction of the price of the Magico/Rockports that you prefer and then not naming them seems to _beg the question_... Once asked.. the ready answer appears."
Sammy, that is an idiotic inuendo. |
Sammy may be this would satisfy you. Magico M5 - extremely detailed (to the point of fatigue to my ears), tremendous bass extension and resolution, pin point imaging and staging, extremely fast but a little hard sounding, no warmth in the midrange, and in the end uninvolving for me. Sounded like this eventhough they were driven by VTL reference tube mono blocks and preamp and $22k Accuphase SACD player. I heard them with solid state electronics also and no improvement there either. I would put their sound similar to Wilsons and YG Acoustics - solid state sounding. Some people like this type of sound, I don't.
Rockport Altairs have bloom, warmth, wonderful natural staging and imaging, a little full in the bottom octive, sweet nonfatiguing highs, natural timbre, and very musical and enjoyable long term. But they do have a slight veil compared to the Magicos. These charasteristics were maintained even with solid state electronics.
Sammy I only have a chip on my shoulder when people like you try to make underhanded comments about my opinions. Your snide comments were not warrented. |
I'm over it Sammy. You should really think before you write because your response to my posts came off as very passive-aggressive and holier than thou, on the one hand seemingly nice comments followed by stab-in-the-back, low handed remarks on the other. Apology accepted, so lets move on. |
