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Relaxed/Analog sounding DAC for under $10k (used or new)

Hi all. I'm currently using an Allnic D5000 DHT DAC which I got to replace a denafrips Pontus II not too long ago. While I do enjoy this dac, it can sound a bit forward in higher frequencies at times and can get a bit fatiguing. The 3A5 tubes are a bit finicky and don't last especially long either. It seems to sound best with coax input and with native DSD files, but my streamer only has USB output, and I exclusively stream via Qobuz with no DSD albums, so I'm not sure it's the best long term match from a synergy standpoint for me. I get the feeling that it was designed around being used primarily with a CD transport, which is not something I am interested in ever adding to my system.

My primary listening setup is centered around analog vinyl playback, so that tends to be my point of reference. I prefer laid back and musical sound versus striving for absolute detail retrieval that can sometimes come off a bit too clinical or harsh to me.

Going through various threads, some things stick out to me - T+A D200, SW1X, etc. I've also heard some Lampizator DACs that I liked (though mostly their very high end models that are outside my budget). I know typically people recommend R2R for a more 'analog' experience, but I also know that that is not the end-all-be-all with DACs, and implementation and intention matters a fair amount more. There are some DAC manufacturers that design their DACs around being used with CDs and don't care for streaming, so their performance is not optimized for use with streaming, etc.

Please do not turn the thread into a debate about the merits of R2R vs D-S. Not really relevant to me and I am mainly looking to see what ideas people toss at me.

Anyway, as a TL;DR, looking for a DAC that satisfies these points:

1. Leaning more musical/analog sounding, with a focus on laid back sound that is non-fatiguing;
2. wide soundstage and fantastic imaging;
3. Optimized for PCM streaming audio + USB input;
4. Ideally under $10k (new or used);
5. Black chassis option

Thanks!

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rikkipuu
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I bought a used LampizatOr Golden Gate 1 for about 6 K and sent it in for upgrade to GG3 status including a new VC/OLED display and JL Sounds USB upgrades.  That will get you in the 10K range.  The GG uses DHT's in the output and also has a tube rectifier.  It replaced a Denafrips Terminator Plus.  The DHT's are amazing.  I am using it with an Allnic L-8000 DHT pre-amp.  The Lampi is dead silent in spite of the DHT's.

The upgrade was phenomenal in terms of timbre and tone with fine resolution.  It is the sweet spot in the line up.  However,  I found the S/PDIF better than the USB, not that the USB is not great, but you are back to that.

FWIW, I use an Antipodes S20/S60 DDC to convert USB to S/PDIF, its an improvement over a Denafrips Iris.  I share your observations about USB input.  I also use a Sonore Optical Module and Sonore Signature Rendu to take advantage of the Ethernet output of my Innuos Statement which in my opinion is much cleaner than the USB output.  I'm not saying USB can't be done right, just in my system the Ethernet output and S/PDIF input are superior to USB.

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psnyder149
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Used mola mola tambaqui should definitely be considered.  It plays great with Innuos.

finleyville
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+1 brianlucey

I also believe the Bricasti M1 SE is great for your situation.  While I love the Chord DAC sound, it will not be a good match for you. 

 

g2the2nd
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https://www.borderpatrol.net/dac/

 

Sounds like a use case for the Border Patrol DAC.

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jmeyers
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I recommend the Bricasti M1 Series II, which is the successor to their M1 SE. That DAC incorporates the same Delta-Sigma DAC as my far more costly Bricasti M21. Before I bought my M21, I listened to more than a dozen of the “better” DACs, and the Bricasti stood out in performance as well as performance-to-value. 
 

Good luck in finding your dream DAC!

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