Reference DACS: An overall perspective


There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
teajay

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Teejay just saw this post. It is very interesting and i tend to agree with your results and most of your comments through this post. I prefer the 2 flavour for myself and I've an Audiomeca Mephisto II which IMO is to 2nd flavour and pleases me most.
But I'll check also the Accustic Arts , this hobby never ends (it's in it's name).
In a test with the g25 clock with X03, no sound improvement justified the purchase so it went back to the dealer.
The big components need the g0, the g25 is not ....but again you don't have 100% success on all your products.
Also waiting from Branimir his experience from the new ARC cd7 also in comparison with the Weiss combo !

(very nice thread)
Branimir I read in the Stereophile buyer's guide 2006, that there is Medea II. This is the one you have or is it a new dac from Weiss?

Best regards
George.
Dear WWX members (Guidocorona and others)what do you think is happening after 800-1000hrs, I mean what is changing and how do you explain it?
I heard it from other people too about 800-1000 hrs for the Esoteric and I would like to investigate the reasons.

George.
2 days ago I've heard the P03-D03 Esoteric combo, it was simply amazing no relation to the outcoming X03.
Tremendous quality, authority and confidence. Not heard with the clock yet. My friend is absolutely satisfied. Yes I'd buy it if I could afford it.
Branimir does Esoteric X01LE plays well unbalanced (rca), is it only good for balanced connection like the Krells?
my friend who had x03 replaced by the p03/d03 told me the difference was huge with capital H.
Go figure then.
And the combo has upgrade path with the clock.
This weekend we had the opportunity to gather with some friends and try some digital sources on a system.
The 3 digital setups where -Resolution audio opus21 -Accustic arts drive1&dak mkIII - Theta generation 8&carmen as transport.
The differences where audible and clear. All played well and the priciest the better. It was general impression that the Theta genVIII was smoother, grainfree relaxing and more organic. Isn't it a good contenter the Theta VIII? how do you compare it?
We all thought Theta needed a better transport but for some reason Accustic arts transport (very solid made and exceptional construction as a transport) don't lock with Theta unfortunately.

The rest of the system was Montana Xp speakers, Hovland HP100 preamp and Sphinx Project24 (Dutch made ultra highend amplifier Gryphon-like sound).
Branimir , Teejay, don't forget Cary 306sacd and Ayrec5xe.
In many tests Cary 306sacd outrunned Esoterix x03. IMO and several friends opinion
Has anyone heard the Gryphon Mikado cdplayer, it is in the price range og Esoteric X01. Is it upgraded?
Thanks Branimir about Krell.

Please a clarification
the latest and best EmmLabs models are
cdsd/dcc2
or
cdsd/dac6e ?
or something else?
Esoterix X01 D2 seems very very interesting, Branimir I guess you'll be one of the first who will hear it, so you know you have to let us know.

Btw this weekend I've heard the new Horning Sati digital set: top loading transport, tube dac with 2 6sn7 and tube psu total 3 pieces, minimal design. The system was LAmm 1.2 and Verity Parsifal Ovation. THis new digital gear seems intersting and this maybe the first piece auditioned. I'll keep listening this again to be sure of sonic signature
Branimir,
since my MephistoII still holds very well and outperformed the X03, I think March '07 is a good reason to wait! (EU)
Now I'd like to ask this seriously......
In case you just need a top reference DAC but not want to buy transport from the same company which DAC perform "universally"?
I mean it will give almost it's ultimate performance with any transport or hard-drive?

For example does Esoteric's DAC D05, or D03 give 100% of it's quallity with other transports?

Please share your views about this.

George.
Branimir what digital cable did you used in those comparisons?
I guess Stealth Sextet?

And please tell us which is superior the X01D2 or the combo P05+D05?
In this thread
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ddgtl&1168773916&read&3&4&

the X01D2 is favored over the combo and especially from "Esoteric's people" but I guess -as Ben already said- that the digital cable and/or power cables has significant part to the final outcome.

What do you think?

cheers!
Geraldedison recently I have heard the AMR dp777 dac versus the dCS Debussy.
To cut a long story short the dCs smoked the AMR by a big margin AMR sounded like broken in every comparison with the dCs Debussy.

Especially from MacBook and Amarra the difference was even bigger surprisingly because both dacs claim asynchronous USB transmission.

The dCS flow was captivating.

The rest of the system PassLabs x600 and Sonus Faber speakers driven by the above dacs directly with Jorma Unity xlr cables.