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What specifically did you not like about the CD50, Ryan? "Just didn't like it" just doesn't cut it. I just don't like a lot of things, but I need to be more specific, or else saying it has no relevance. Perhaps you didn't like that it showed that your CD-R copies didn't sound better than the originals afterall? |
I'm not bent out of shape, just challenged him to be specific...read what I said. Defending it like it was my wife? Get over yourself, dude. |
OK, so you just wanted to pick an argument, then. That's petty, and if you think you're telling me anything I don't already know (that everyone doesn't like the same thing...although you stated that wrong), you're wasting your time. I was talking specifics, and you were wondering why, when you had the player all along. Pipe down, already... |
What preamp did you use with the Rotel, and did you use one with the CD50? I use no preamp with mine, and have found none of the aspects you name. How long was this CD50 left on in each instance, by the way? It needs a few days of being on, before it really performs its best. WHAT RECORDINGS DID YOU USE FOR COMPARISON? With mine, I hear a different soundstage size, width, depth, and tonal presentation, with each recording. I feel like I'm hearing the character of each space on each recording. And I definitely hear the rear corners of the recorded space, and hear no tonal emphasis of any kind, in any of the frequency range. If you like your Wadia better, that's fine. To each, his own. I suspect if the CD50, or CD55, costed $15,000, more people would buy one. |
Ryan, I've not tried the 860x in my home, no. It still rolls off the top octave by 3 dB, though. Anyway, I gurantee the CD50 is better than the 830, by far. Bring your 860 by anytime, when you're in my part of the country. You know what, yes, I absolutely agree that the RA remote sucks (it's a plastic tv remote), but I bet other programmable remotes might work with it, I haven't tried. The player itself looks very nice IMO, in silver, anyway. Just because the chassis doesn't weigh more than your SUV, doesn't mean that build quality is not in keeping with any highend CD player, though. And the electronic components are beyond reproach...as Petland, me, and others know all too well. Yes, others on here have attempted to make a fool of me on issues of digital audio, but I still like Jeff Kalt very much, he is a truly honorable designer. At least he didn't buy a speaker company, and then turn around and have to divide his core company up... |
Remember this, Shelton, if it were true that none of us could hear similar things from the same equipment/system/room, then there would be no point in having this forum...remember that, and don't forget it, keep it in your memory... |
Read the above again, I found essentially none of the things Ryan found, and my conclusions about this player are mine, and also those of many others. And if you bought one, they'd be YOURS! YOURS! |
This forum was and is very polite, Michael, and there will never be agreement in this hobby...please don't otherwise delude yourself on that. We are all here because we love music thru audio, and that's not really "just a hobby", is it? Posting it twice doesn't help, either....................It's clear that Shelton simply wanted to belabor a point obvious to all of us, stated it wrongly, and then hid the fact that he knew the CD50 was a terrific player. As the glib and verbally challenged simpletons always sate on here..."nuff said". |
To clarify one thing, when I say "never be agreement", I mean perhaps what Shelton thought he was trying to "teach" me. That we won't always agree on the various intricacies of this "hobby". BUT, (this relates to my point) that does NOT meant that when a product works very well (like the CD50), that there won't be a clear consensus to the positive feelings of the vast MAJORITY of those who have owned or heard the product. Denying that is what I perceive Shelton is actually doing, and that's like denying that the sky is USUALLY blue in the daytime, when there are no clouds. That is my point: that Shelton actually agreed with all the rest of us on the CD50 (except Ryan alone), and yet he denied that most of us could somehow be in agreement on it, because we "would all hear it differently". I submit that there IS a median human audibility curve, and any aduiologist will provide those facts for you, Shelton. There's also a "mean degree of 'adequate' system set-up and synergy of fidelity" that most of us in this "hobby" have arrived at, so there is a reasonable degree of "translation" from ONE system (whose performance has been optimized adequately), TO THE NEXT. I'm not talking between systems where there are problems, I'm talking between ones where there are few if any problems. Any system that provides a satisfying musical rendition, and also displays in obvious fashion the difference bewteen one recording's character, to the next, is my definition of such an audio system. And, MOST OF MY ACQUAINTANCES ON HERE HAVE SUCH SYSTEMS, so that, in a practical sense, DISPROVES Shelton's little theory for me, and I hope for the rest of you...............The rest is for the Supreme Court to decide, and I hear Remquist and a few of the other justices are in a bad mood today, because they haven't been able to listen to their CD50's enough, of late... |
Michael, I have a right to defend my pont of view, and you possess just as much personal antagonism, in pointing out how you think I should (or should not) say what I say, singling me out, perhaps.....Sunny, thanks so much for your "non-antagonistic" comments. God is a good God, and I hope you can aspire to know him in some way...wishing I was "gone" seems like you might want to play God yourself (and perhaps you might be more aligned with that fallen angel that felt the same need). I'm merely discussing the merits of audio equipment, and philosophies. God probably doesn't care much, and likely has a better audio system than all of us anyway. I'm pretty sure they didn't even have electricity in the time of Moses...perhaps you should double check that. |
And sorry for the typos. I'm glad that you at least agree with me on my points about translatability, Michael. |
First of all, how many of you even have a CD player with volume control ,which is what this thread is about? If you don't have one, and are "tired" of me, start another thread, and talk about something else. And Shapiro, what is it you mean by "all I can afford"? Do you meant that you think you are more wealthy than me, and somehow that makes you superior to me? |
I'm not a psychoanalyst, and don't know what sort of a response you are referring to, Shapiro, but I suspect that you enjoy analyzing people, figuring them out. If you think you have me nailed down, that's fine. I resent being analyzed by psychologists, because I'm an individual, and thus cannot be "figured" out by the modern religion you call psychology. I don't think in time with someone elses mind, and am not part of a collective unconscious. What am I thinking now?..............Michael, I'm not setting rules here, only pointing out that my whole discussion was in the context of a CD player with volume control (translatablity of a certain CD player, although you could apply it to other audio contexts, perhaps), where your posts seem to come from that of personal criticism. You aren't setting rules for this thread, either. I think if you check, you'll realize that................Shelton, you haven't even clearly stated whatever point you think you're making, and thus haven't begun to prove it, either. Yes, indeed, I'm gonna enjoy the music right now... |
And Shapiro, do you own a CD player with volume control, and connect it straight into your amplifier? Are you scared to answer such a simple question? That's the response I expected...find a thread that deals with audio subjects that you have experience with, perhaps you'll have something relevant to say there...but I doubt it. |
And Jla, you need to shut up, until you have something relevant to say PERTINANT TO THIS THREAD. I don't care if you (or any of you) are tired of me, or not. You're a crybaby. Who the hell asked you to read my posts in the first place? Your computer has an off switch; use it, or else find another forum, cause I'm not leaving...and you couldn't do anything about it anyway. |
Petland, I thank you for the half-way support, but don't understand why you'd disagree with me on so many other issues in the past. I don't recall that you have told me as much, anyway. I'm glad that you like the CD50. I don't see myself as a catalyst, so much as a lightening rod for the true jerks on here. That's fine, except that it wastes time for anyone wanting to get anything substantive out of this forum. As you hint at, I guess having an opinion, and backing it up (with anything at all), brings out the worst in people, all too often. I appreciate yours and Treyhoss's commitment to keeping it on things audio..........Jla, thanks for getting back to the subject, and for realizing that you can turn your computer off, or otherwise ignore my comments. |
Read what I said, I haven't had an 860...never said I hadn't tried an 830. I meant that others had befouled me (heh heh, ok, I had a hand in it too) on digital audio, not you. I hold no hard feelings for you, Ryan, and I don't monitor these 24/7 either. In fact, you are the only person I've seen on here, that has said they didn't prefer the CD50 over something else, that I actually believe (that's why it troubled me). The others who have said it, were only trying to "bait me", so I ignored them. Anyway, use whatever player you like, and enjoy the music...I thought that was why we all do this (there's one you haven't all heard a million times over)...happy labor day, Carl |
