Recommend an amp + pre for ESL 57s and a new turntable (way out of my league)


Hi all, longtime lurker now starting my semi-serious venture into all of this. I was recently gifted a pair of Quad ESL 57s, a Well Tempered Labs Amadeus GTA turntable, and a Miyajima Labs Shilabe cartridge. I need a preamp and amplifier for the system on a budget of ~$1000 - $1500. I currently have an old Harman Kardon Stereo Festival (TA-230) receiver, which is just a cool piece of old, barely working, shits-n-gigs gear I used to drive some junky speakers with in college. It hasn't been plugged in in two years and even if its still works, I don't think it's a great match for my system. What would you recommend? I am most interested in listening to some old mono blues, jazz, and folk LPs I have, and I imagine most of the records I collect in the future will be similar (I know I have a stereo cart, which I've always understood to be fine for this?).

Some guiding questions:

- Seems like a favorite for the ESLs are a pair of heathkit UA-1s. Another that I'm seeing well recommended is the Dyna st35. Thoughts? Does it make sense to spend ~$700 - $1000 on a nice amp and get something more basic for the pre in the $400 range? (Rega fono??)

- Should I get a nicer preamp to match my cart and go with something more basic wrt amplification? Not sure what is good in the way of cheaper(?) amps to drive these speakers.

- In the event that I stretch my budget and wait a bit between buying one and the other (to save back up lol), would I get more out of a ~$1200 amp and the cheapest preamp that will work, or a ~$1200 pre and the cheapest amp that will work? What would the cheapest preamp and amp that "will work" be in the meantime? What would be in the $1200 range for each, respectively?

Thank you if you took the time to read this! I will be cleaning the dust off the Quads in the meantime.

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I wonder how people think a Fisher 500C Tube Receiver (it has 16 ohm taps) would pair with OP's Quads?

I've been too lazy to take photos and list my Fisher 500c Tube Receiver for sale. I overhauled it, then had Steve Leung at VAS align it's FM Tuner. Mine is dead quiet, and has all the vintage features incl.  MM Phono, and a Tape Loop which could be used for a Chase Remote Line Controller to keep all the vintage features and get Remote Volume and Remote Balance.

 

I worked for Roger Modjeski for 5 years and we restored my pair of ESL 57s together. There are some things that you would need to understand before selecting the approprate amplification for the speakers. First @peter_s made a good recommendation for the Music Reference RM-10. Although the story about the amp being designed by Roger for the 57 is more myth than reality. It just so happened he owned 57s and Vandersteen 2s at the time and he originally tested the amp on the latter but then put the amp on the 57s and found it worked well with them too.

Do your speakers have the "clamp" board. This is very important to know as without it your choice of amps is going to be very limited. The ESL 57s were designed to be driven by voltage, and as mentioned previously their voltage limit is about 35V. Exceeding this limit can cause the panels to arc and eventually fail. Even with the clamp board I wouldn’t go over board with amplification, or play them too loud. These speakers if operating optimally will be full of detail, even at lower listening levels. Another note as pointed out by @pindac is that the speaker presents a capacitive load to amplifiers. Very different than the resistive loads boxes and planars present to amplifiers.

You have a unique pair of speakers. It is best to learn as much about them as possible before making an amplification decision. There are good resources out there to learn from. My advice would be to be learn before you buy.

Thank you all for your responses!

@clio09 -- I am fairly certain that my speakers have the treble unit protection from the factory. It is my understanding that that's what you mean by Clamp Board? They are SN36228 and 36260. I know that this part, as well as the ETH unit, might need to be replaced? Do you have any advice on determining when to replace, which replacement parts to use, and other parts that might need replacement? I still have not actually listened to them as I'm worried about plugging in my HK.

@elliottbnewcombjr -- I appreciate the sentiment and see your point of view swapping the whole system out. At the very least I must keep the quads, they are of sentimental value to both my friend and I. I would like to try to keep the whole thing together, but if it turns out that the tt+cart aren't great for me, what should I be looking at instead? any MCs that come to mind? Turntables? Not sure how easy it is to sell this stuff and it would pain me to downgrade. Will definitely have someone check it out and inquire as to the hours on it. I don't have a ton of specific info, but I do know that all of these things have been well taken care of (not sitting in a hot storage unit or in an attic).

@pindac -- I am very, very interested in this neurochrome route. Is the model you're referring to the Modulus 86 (65W)? Can you provide any more information on what you mean by "a increased Power Output build of a N’chrome used A/B"? Sorry for the newb question.

@peter_s -- Thank you for the rec, the rm10 also seems like a great potential option.

 

It's not just the treble panel you need to be concerned about but it's good you have the protection circuit. My recommendation would be to reach out to one of the Quad experts, either Kent McCollum at Electrostatic Solution or Sheldon Stokes. I know Kent sells both the clamp and EHT boards and if you are handy and can DIY, they are not difficult to replace. Personally, when I bought my first pair of 57s I sent them to Kent to have them checked out. When I knew what I had to work with I was able to understand what it would take to restore them. 

Lot’s of advice, I have owned multiple pairs of 57’s over the years.  These aren’t starter speakers and do require some attention to detail to get the most out of them.  These are not an easy load for a lot of amplifiers out there and I would recommend tubes for the amplification, based on your limited budget for separates I would highly recommend an integrated, I would look for something vintage thats been updated or would also recommend the Quad amp/preamp combo the Bourne mentioned as those do sound good with the Quads and you can find the amps that have been updated for not a lot of money.  I have used integrated amps and gotten very nice sound from them with the Quads.  Kent from Electrostatic Solutions in KC likes to use ARC amps with his and he is not wrong with using higher powered tube amps with the 57’s and I ran ARC Ref 110 with my highly modified pair I got from Kent/Robin Wyatt and the sound was some of the best I have had.  I would recommend not to rush in your purchase and take advice from actual owners not forum surfers so you don’t wast the limited funds you have and buy the wrong piece(s) & not get the sound your looking for, also make sure you have the room for these as you need to get them out off your back wall for best results.