Recommend an amp + pre for ESL 57s and a new turntable (way out of my league)


Hi all, longtime lurker now starting my semi-serious venture into all of this. I was recently gifted a pair of Quad ESL 57s, a Well Tempered Labs Amadeus GTA turntable, and a Miyajima Labs Shilabe cartridge. I need a preamp and amplifier for the system on a budget of ~$1000 - $1500. I currently have an old Harman Kardon Stereo Festival (TA-230) receiver, which is just a cool piece of old, barely working, shits-n-gigs gear I used to drive some junky speakers with in college. It hasn't been plugged in in two years and even if its still works, I don't think it's a great match for my system. What would you recommend? I am most interested in listening to some old mono blues, jazz, and folk LPs I have, and I imagine most of the records I collect in the future will be similar (I know I have a stereo cart, which I've always understood to be fine for this?).

Some guiding questions:

- Seems like a favorite for the ESLs are a pair of heathkit UA-1s. Another that I'm seeing well recommended is the Dyna st35. Thoughts? Does it make sense to spend ~$700 - $1000 on a nice amp and get something more basic for the pre in the $400 range? (Rega fono??)

- Should I get a nicer preamp to match my cart and go with something more basic wrt amplification? Not sure what is good in the way of cheaper(?) amps to drive these speakers.

- In the event that I stretch my budget and wait a bit between buying one and the other (to save back up lol), would I get more out of a ~$1200 amp and the cheapest preamp that will work, or a ~$1200 pre and the cheapest amp that will work? What would the cheapest preamp and amp that "will work" be in the meantime? What would be in the $1200 range for each, respectively?

Thank you if you took the time to read this! I will be cleaning the dust off the Quads in the meantime.

arg6442

Showing 3 responses by pindac

I have years of History owning the 57's and have them today in use as a Stacked  Array.

The same Speakers are also used both Single Array and Stacked Array in other systems I own.

I have heard them driven by high quality Power Amp's from very low Watts to more than adequate Watts with Valve Amplification, where Valve Selection has been carefully considered.

I have also heard the 57's used with SS Amp's and SS Amp's vs Valve Amp's.

When being demo'd the 57's using a Neurochrome Modular 65, in comparison to Valve Amp's costing 20 x the N'chrome price, I was quite shocked at how impressive the SS Amp' presented an End Sound.

Recently I have loaned the N'chrome and it is resident in my system to be used alongside my Valve Amp's driving my 57's and other owned speakers.

My suggestion is there is a very affordable way to get very very close to the very best End Sound the 57's can deliver and that is to use the N'chrome Modular 65, it is worthwhile learning more.

The Pre Amp need not be too exotic, a Slagle Autoformer has been used on mine for periods and loaned out to be used with others, where the End Sound even though showing a hint of a rich tone has been extremely detailed and right for the 57. 

N'chrome also produce a Transparent Pre Amp, as well as Big Bottle Audio, for either of these it is worthwhile learning more.

Monies will be left to make further choices for other devices. 

       

@arg6442 As stated I know the 57’s very well.

Before making these 57’s your Speaker, you can do a few basic checks to learn of the condition. 

When Powered on without any device attached they should be deftly quiet. an ear on the Grill should not detect any noise, even though something is occurring to let you know they are on. 

When attached to a System and Powered On, with substantial VC rotation and no music being played, being approx’ 6ft away should not indicate they are  Powered On, there should be a quietness. 

If there is a noise detected, these are very Vintage, don’t be too upset, there is numerous contributors to diagnose and guide to what the repair will look like. 

One of my owned Pairs was fully overhauled bt OTA in 2015, the other and original purchased pair were fully serviced by Quad in the 90’s.

There are 57’s never had their grill removed and are working as per the design intent or 97% of it. 

I can’t work out where the notion come from about your only inquiring about a Phonostage?? 

My suggestion for an Power Amplifier stands it iis worthwhile investigating further. 

I have heard a increased Power Output build of a N’chrome used A/B in a system costing close to $200K when a $50K Soulution Amp, is the Power Amp and a $180K system when a 211 Valve Amp was in use. 

The N’chrome when used in the system, devalued the system to approx’ $152K.  and was not the  ’Hands Down and Beaten’ runner up on that day, it kicked butt Karate Kid Style and was not letting neither High End Valve or SS, teach it a lesson.

 

 

 

The Link will show what certain people think about the 57’s and what they are able to be 60ish Years on from their launch.

Tim De Paravicini was the first to do something like this back in the early 90’s and I was quite fortunate to be able to receive a demo’ of them at an audio show during this era. I became a 57 owner shortly after, and have maintained my loyalty since.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/emia-re-visioned-quad-esl-57-loudspeakers-garrard-301-turntable-schroeder-and-schick

I know the Miyajima Labs Shilabe cartridge very very and listen to it used on a AP10 R with Glanz 12" Arm, through an All Valve Amplification System where Quad  2912 Speakers produce the End Sound, the Cart' works in a very enjoyable fashion which I suggest is never going to fatigue a person, but help find the edge of the seat on a regular occasion, there'll be no slouching back for too long.