Recomend Some Albums Recorded with True Imaging.


I am looking for some recommendations of some albums recorded for true imaging.  By that I mean a group of people playing acoustic instruments recorded old school with just two microphones.    Not songs mixed from multiple tracks and balanced to give the impression they are playing in the center.    I have recently been relistening to the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's "Will the Circle be Unbroken".   This is a raw recording where they found the best bluegrass and early county artists,  sat them down in a studio,   took one take,  and (probably) recording them with just 2 microphones for stereo.  No mixing and minimal processing.  What they played in the room is exactly what you hear.   The results for imaging is all I can say is wow.   Even with a half decent system you can close your eyes and tell where ever instrument is playing from and where they are standing.   And it is the first time I finally understood the phrase " the speakers disappear".

While my main preference is 70's progressive rock I don't think I will find it there.    But Jazz,  Bluegrass, Blues or Classical would be good.  Any suggestions.
delkal

Showing 8 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

friday night san francisco, the 3 guitarists only play together side 2, 2nd and 3rd track. Vinyl!

when setting up a new cartridge, after test records, I use those 2 tracks to make the final anti-skate adjustment

When you get it right the left and right guitars, even though they are different body types, and different strings, sound balanced, center guitar comes alive, and live audience sounds equal l/r.

If ’off’ you strain to hear it ’right’ and don’t enjoy it nearly as much as when you have the confidence to know it’s balanced. Then, you become involved, immersed it the compositions and skills.

I have it on CD, Vinyl is better on a darn good, well set up TT.

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remote balance.

I found, and I think you would truly enjoy and benefit from remote balance.

MANY tracks (already in your collection) are slightly off balance, a slight tweak can make a large difference, imaging, everything ’opens up’, there is a lot of hidden magic that is unappreciated if off just a bit.

I used to walk forward and back, a real PITA. I got and love this Remote Line Controller.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chase-Technologies-RLC-1-REMOTE-LINE-CONTROLLER-Complete-In-Original-Box-NEW/333463145628?hash=item4da3f3cc9c:g:bV8AAOSwEDFdpQFT

Absolutely No Noise is True. s/n 105db. I and my audiophile friends, pre-disposed to simple signal path, can never tell if in line or not.

Nicely, it remembers last input used, and last volume level. Several other features/benefits but it’s primary use is to tweak balance.

My friend moved his wonderful system to a space with left speaker near a wall, other side open. Never gonna be perfect, but his solves the problem to a great extent.

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phase reversal

you may want to follow this phase reversal thread

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/how-to-tell-if-lp-is-recorded-with-phase-reversed



Night Train, Oscar Peterson Trio

You might love a small jazz trio right in the room with you

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AAHAWMO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I own a lot of Oscar Peterson, this one is wonderful, listened to it last night.
Rudy went Stereo Early.

tape recording was stereo 1956, LP stereo cutting 1958.

Major labels like Columbia had deep enough pockets to hire double the engineers and pay double the cost of labor to have two separate teams simultaneously working on the mono and stereo versions of an album. But Van Gelder enjoyed working alone, and Blue Note couldn’t afford such a robust staff anyway. Was there a way for the engineer to create both the mono and stereo master lacquer disks from a single session tape?

If he only recorded to full-track tape it would have been impossible to create a stereo master from that tape, and recording to two-track tape only would have initially seemed like an unattractive option since Van Gelder did not have a stereo monitoring system in his Hackensack studio.

But just when all hope for the desired simplicity seemed lost, Van Gelder, known to be quite resourceful in the studio, realized a third option: if he made both the mono and stereo LPs from a single two-track tape, he didn’t have to monitor the sessions in stereo. In other words, even if the music was being recorded to two tracks, he could still do all the recording and mixing during a session while listening to a single speaker. That way, when he went to create the mono master disk later, as long as he summed the channels together at equal volumes during the session, all he would need to do was sum them back together again the same way and he would hear exactly what was heard during the session. He called this clever method of getting two recordings for the price of one “the 50/50 system”, and on Halloween 1958, Art Blakey’s Moanin’ (BLP 4003) became the last Blue Note album ever to be recorded to full-track tape by Van Gelder.


Toots Thielemans ‎– Captured Alive. 

I played this last night. Terrific imaging of terrific musicians. I am still excited about it

Not sure if you can get it new, here is first link that came up

https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/9824525?ev=rb&condition=Near+Mint+%28NM+or+M-%29

I will be checking out both the label, and the pianist, Love Toots, saw him live twice, one was a reunion with George Shearing at the Blue Note, NYC.

https://www.discogs.com/label/1086238-Choice-7

Gerry Macdonald knows how to record.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/388271-Gerry-Macdonald

Loved the pianist , Joanne Brackeen

https://www.discogs.com/artist/388272-Joanne-Brackeen

http://www.joannebrackeenjazz.com/
Mingus Dynasty, Live at Montreux. Terrific Live Imaging.

Mingus Dynasty is a rotating group of primarily Mingus Alumni. These are all Mingus Compositions, and, they have two bass players, one far left, one far right. (here’s stereo bass for you)

Live recordings can be the best imaging, sometimes loud crowd noise ’ruins it’, here is non-disturbing, not loud crowd noise only at end of tracks.

https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/1448034?sort=condition%2Cdesc&ev=rb
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Weird Imaging (wonderful music just don’t sit in ’focused’ listening position)

Oscar Peterson, The Sound of the Trio (recorded live)

https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/3596248?sort=condition%2Cdesc&ev=rb

Drums Left, Bass Right, Piano Centered, should be great (as many OP Trio recordings are)

But: Piano is recorded with high notes off to left of center, low notes right of center, it comes off as the largest, widest piano in the world. Then, a long drum solo, the engineer electronically moves the drummer to the center, keeping brush work left, and moving kick drum right. This from Verve ?????

I was going to get rid of it, then I decided, ’get away from the weird imaging’, so I moved into far corner, and it is a terrific trio performance, one I will never part with.



danvignau
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Your 'weak bass' comment is relevant to this current 'Tone Controls' Thread

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/toole-and-why-i-like-tone-controls

your post

"Imaging is usually executed by multi-miking. Old jazz standards from the 1960's and early 1970's are the best for my tastes. A mic on stage left, a mike on stage right, and often, a mike on the soloist. Unfortunately, the bass suffers on many of these mixes, because nearly anyone had a lot of power back then for good woofs. At least try to get analogue recordings. AVOID anything early on that brags about being purely digital".
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It's not just smaller speakers, I have a pair of very efficient 15" woofers, from 1956, and often bass is recorded or purposely weak, then and now.

Jazz Bass, for me, is the primary reason to have (and optionally use) an automatic 'loudness' contour for low volume listening. I yap about that in the thread I linked.