Reason for buying old/classic turntables


Could you please clarify why many people buy old/classic turntable from the 1960's or 1970's? Are those turntables better than the contemporary ones? Is it just emotion and nostalgia? I'm also asking because these classic turntables are often quite expensive (like vintage automobiles and wine). Recently I saw an advertisement for the Technics SP-10 Mk II for $3,000 and a Micro Seiki SX-111 for $6,000. You can also buy a modern turntable like an Avid, a Clearaudio or Raven for that kind of money. Or are these classic turntables still superior to the modern ones?

Chris
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I think the reason for buying a classic turntable is a combination of cost and sound quality. In terms of cost, a turntable such as a Lenco idler drive can still be bought on ebay for a few hundred dollars and with modifications and a DIY plinth compete with tables costing much more - check out the Audiogon thread.

In terms of quality, check out Albert Porter's system, which is high end by anyone's definition. He had a Walker Proscenium turntable, and replaced it with a Technics SP10. Here's what he posted on Audiogon on 11/23/08:

"I sold the Walker four months ago. I made this decision after comparing it long term against my Wenge Plinth, Technics SP10 MK2.

Photographs of it here at Audiogon: http://cgim.audiogon.com/i/vs/i/f/1193606055.jpg

And at Sound Fountain: http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/sp10plinth.html

I bought the MK2 in Feb 2007, 21 months ago.

During this period, about sixteen listeners joined me in the comparison with only one voting for the Walker."

Also on 11/23/08, he posted after listening to Mike Lavigne's system, that:

"I actually preferred the Garrard [301] with Triplanar and Koetsu Rosewood Platinum to Mike's Rockport with Colibri."

Finally, on 11/30/08, he wrote:

"Although I've only recently posted my decision, testing has been ongoing for 21 months. Nine others who heard the comparison bought this plinth plus MK2 or MK3.

Each person put their completed Technics in place and compared with their reference turntable and arm.

This resulted in the sale of two Walkers (w/Black Diamond arms), a Kuzma Stabi XL with Air Line arm, a VPI TNT with 12" JM arm, a Basis with Graham arm and a Raven.

For this many people to agree on this change means it's an excellent combination."

What this says is the best of the classic turntables - Garrard 301 and 401, Technics SP10, etc. are at least in the same category as the best of the modern tables - Walker, Rockpot, Kuzma, Basis, etc., in the opinion of a number of experienced audiophiles. When you factor in the cost of a classic table against the cost of the modern SOTA tables this makes them at a minimum a very cost effective alternative.
Raul,

I agree, these are not conclusive comparisons. I also left out the qualifier where Albert wrote that his preference could have been due to the different cartridges. However, I think the overall point is that the Garrard was not obviously outclassed by the Rockport in an informal comparison of the kind that audiophiles do fairly frequently.

Also, in his earlier post that I quoted, he stated that comparing the Technics with a number of other top line tables by other audiophiles for the purposes of buying one and selling the other, the Technics was not at a disadvantage. What this says to me is that the best of the classic turntables can compete successfully with the modern state of the art as determined by a purchasing decision including factors of sound quality and cost, a point of view that I think you share considering your own choice of turntables. :-)