Question for cable/wire naysayers.....


For those who state that cables don't make a difference...... are you saying that all cables sound the same?  If not, what are you saying?   I've experimented with many different brands and materials and I can't possibly believe that those naysayers hear no differences.   And if the science says that the cables should sound the same, a simple experiment (listening!!!) should prove otherwise.  Or, are these naysayers not listening for changes in resolution, soundstaging/imaging, coherence.....and so on between cables?  Please elaborate on what you are NOT hearing and feel free to drop names.  What cables have you compared that didn't sound different?   I've just gotta know.  I'm floored every time I see a post or response in which cables are called snake oil or something comparable.  Please enlighten me......Thanks.
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Showing 3 responses by toddverrone

I was a sceptic once. Used blue jeans ICs and SCs..

Now I DIY my own stuff using quality materials. There is an easily discernable difference. I'd never go back.

You nays can throw as much pseudo science around as the cable manufacturers do, just from the other side. I understand that the absurd prices are absurd. But we’re not talking ROI, we’re taking efficacy...
My perspective is this: there are two separate arguments here, using the same words, and people keep talking past one another.

Many people seem to be against cables because of two main things: high (absurd) prices and crazy, hyperbolic marketing copy from manufacturers. This is often the main knock against cables, once you get through all the posturing and 'electrical engineering' junk.

Those that are for them can often come from the opposite perspective: spending money on something means it's good. More money means more good. And then the idea that if it's a professionally made, special cable, it has to sound good, so they listen, hear a difference, and start spouting ad copy.

I'm too cheap to spend good money on stuff I can make myself. So I experiment and have heard the differences in different architectures and materials while not being too attached to whatever I'm using. If I see a better idea or better materials that aren't stupid expensive, I'll try it and see..

Many naysayers walk in with a contrarian attitude, reacting to silly prices and hyperbole. Many supporters aren't critical enough of what they're hearing or separating cost from performance.

And then the are many like me, who are just curious and play around, keeping an open mind and not getting too wrapped up in marketing or prices. But our middle of the road view, that can accept the truths from both sides while dispensing with their absolutism, is mostly unheard because of the shouting from the fringes.

Huh, does that sound like anything else going on in our world right now?
What the 'science and data' crowd forgets is money. Who is going to fund the studies to show what the measurements are that pertain to sonic differences in audio cabling? There are very few people who even care enough about audio to set up even a rudimentary system instead of a Bluetooth box. Of those, an even smaller number will care about sound quality to the extent that we all do. So there's the market, what company can make enough money from that market to fund this research? Or is NASA going to do it? 

Much of the science and data we have was generated in pursuit of other goals, or in pursuit of a reasonable level of sonic accuracy. Often findings not related to audio have proven useful for us or the companies that make what we love.

So if you're focusing on 'science and data' you very well may miss a lot of great ideas because the money isn't behind them to 'do the study'. Just saying...