Question about DSD DACs


Apologies if this has been asked before (it probably has), but I'm a little confused about how DSD is decoded in the newer DSD capable DACs. My current disc spinner is a Cambridge Audio 751BD universal player which, according to the owner's manual, can output native DSD only through its HDMI output. Since my DAC (Bryston BDA1) has no HDMI input, playing SACDs can only be done through an analog (RCA) connection to my integrated. With this connection, as I understand it, the signal is output as PCM, though what its resolution is I can't quite tell. What I CAN tell is that the resulting sound is rather shrill.

At some point I'm thinking that I'll want to upgrade my DAC to a DSD capable one, but I'm not sure how these newer DACs process SACDs. Will I hear the signal decoded as DSD without conversion to PCM? Some DACs (like the PS Audio PWD MK II or Bryston's BDA3) boast HDMI inputs but I couldn't tell from their literature whether it's even possible to use this connection to a disc spinner to play SACDs in 2-channel, or how the signal is processed through such a connection.

Thanks for your help with this--it will assist greatly in making choices when I decide to do this upgrade.
cooper52

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Many thanks for the responses, and especially to Gigi for the link to The Absolute Sound’s article, which was very enlightening, given my somewhat underdeveloped level of technical knowledge. It sounds like this isn’t as simple a process as I’d hoped for, that is, putting a disc in the spinner and having it play back the SACD layer in unconverted DSD format. Experimenting with my system as it stands, I actually like the CD layer better (it’s a little warmer and less shrill), but it’s running through entirely different processing than the SACD layer, which relies on Cambridge Audio’s own onboard DAC chips instead of my outboard DAC. I do have the system set to read the SACD layer in stereo, so it is presumably the PCM conversion I'm hearing through the speakers.

At some point it looks like I’m going to have to learn the ins and outs of inserting my computer into the process which is something I’d hoped to avoid (old dog/new tricks issues here). Since the literature for my CA 751 BD claims to send DSD over its HDMI output, my question then becomes: what happens to this data when (if) it reaches a DSD capable DAC? Or is this just an unworkable setup, which is the impression I’m getting from the responses so far?
At the moment I'm pretty happy with my Redbook setup though the temptation to tweak/upgrade is always lurking. Running CDs (I have a pretty sizable collection of these) and the one or two DVD-A discs I have through the Bryston BDA1, enhanced by a Wyred4Sound reclocker, the sound is very pleasing.

 My first SACD player was a Sony DVP-NS500V, ca 2002, but I didn't buy it for that, I bought it to be our first DVD player. The SACD capability was sort of a bonus. As I recall the thing cost all of about $200. I still have it and it still works. Upgrading to the CA 751BD (2012) was an expedient to play Blu-Rays, and to be fair, as a universal disc player it's actually a very good machine. However, subsequent enhancements (outboard DAC and reclocker) have made an enormous difference to its audio performance. (It's video performance was excellent from the get-go, so no complaints there).

I've had SACDs in the collection for quite a few years now, and though what I hear is (to agree with the above post) perhaps a slight improvement over good old 44.1 (well, 96 now with my reclocker), I wonder if an average listener could hear the difference in a blind test? That's why I was so curious about hearing unconverted DSD.


I flatter myself that I too am not an average listener, but really all (or at least the vast majority) of us who indulge in this hobby are not average listeners. Just an unsupported-by-any-facts opinion...