It is quite clear to me by now why some people do not "get" the Magico sound. It is the least hifi sounding loudspeaker out there. In comparison, some speakers, like the Wilson, sounds like a "Disneyland ride" and are much more exciting to listen to, at least initially. The experience we gotten accustom listening to hifi system is very different then the experience Magico offers. JV, JF and even PM all talks about that in their reviews of the Q5/3. If you looking for, or gotten used to, added "dressing" in your music listening environment the Magico will disappoint you. |
Holenneck, I own Tidal Contriva Diacera SEs and have never had Magico or Rockports in my room, but have had 27 other speakers in my rooms. I don't know how that really matters. All that I am saying is that I would not have bought my Tidals were I not greatly impressed and that I hear none of what Jeff talks about. Why he hears such and I do not also matters little. I also hear nothing in the Magicos that would cause me to buy them. The Rockports, however, are very impressive. |
TBG, seems that Jeff has had Tidal, Magico, Rockport and many others in his room. Have you?
I like that he is well versed, and agree with usermanual that he called it like he heard it. |
;)) Guys, give it a rest.. I think they both are genuine and gallant efforts by two very competent manufacturers in the industry. We hear/buy what we like, no need to trash on other people's choice or preferences. Opinions are just that.
It is the norm that any brand which happens to be in the limelight to always be the most susceptible target. It happened to Wilson, as well Magico, and of recent, Tidal. I guess in a way it's better to lay low like some other excellent manufacturers, hence stirring less animosity in the market. |
Look, he is the first reviewer, in a long time, that just said it as he heard it. I give him credit for that.
To my ear, the bigger Tidal sound exactly as he described the smaller one, plus, IMO some bass integration issues that the smaller one may not have. They are beautiful, however, and prompt "proud of ownership" feel that works quite well with certain people.
Tbg - Not here to defense Ebm or Magico, but if your posts about Tidal has not been Tidal greatest sales efforts, I am not sure what has. If there were ever any hype that is "shockingly at odds" with performance , Tidal hype will certainly wins, hands down. |
Ebm, I welcome your opinion, but no sale here. I do admire the Q3 cabinet, but I feel no vibrations with my Contrivas. Also I hear no magic in the Magicos that I hear with the Contrivas. Incidentally I doubt that the crossover in the Magicos can match that in the Diaceras.
I am not on a crusade for the Tidals, but I find the hype about the Magicos shockingly at odds with what I hear. |
Tidal Contriva is a wonderful speaker i have heard them .The new MAGICO Q5 and Q3 are in another class but thats my opinion.MAGICO has better drivers a better cabinet better crossover etc. |
Bvidman, I had forgotten that the Piano Cera review had used the (variotuning) bass boost setting as opposed to the flat/neutral setting which users in the small to medium sized rooms will prefer. Unlike the Contriva series, the Piano series does not have a provision for port plugging. BTW, don't want to see this thread turned into a Tidal vs Magico discussion. No doubt that both brands are world class..... |
FWIW. When I had my V3, it was actually the Piano Cera which prompted me to order the Contriva. If anything, it was the previous Magicos I owned that had that faint scrim mentioned. An ever present lingering haze to their upper bass through mid which held back from my ultimately enjoying the system, more so the V3, and to a lesser extent the Mini2. Listening to the Piano minus those artifacts was a revelation then.
Upon receiving my Contriva, I was then asked to describe differences by fellow members, which I reluctantly commented simply by just saying--more connectedness to the music and felt as if veils have been lifted--finally! Yes, it is imo that much better, but then again so what, that it too cost much more comparing them would be meaningless based on pricing alone.
Now, the Q series I'm sure is a different and much improved animal. And if they are what they are reputed to be--would make a much more valid comparison. But still, we all hear things differently. And as far as me goes, I have neither the urge nor wants to make that comparison anymore. I've hopped off the speaker-go-round. Hope and pray! ;))
Re the Piano sounding loose, there is this variogain bass tuning incorporated. I see that in the review the reviewer chose the setting with that slight bass boost rendering a slightly relaxed yet looser presentation. Having one port plugged, could actually tighten things by quite a bit, less boost, but bass will tighten and go down noticeably deeper too. I guess the reviewer's room is on the large side thus dictates/preferred the use of previous setting. |
James63, that does make sense. Nonetheless, it also makes sense for the reviewer to seek out price peers or more expensive products with which to compare/contrast, particularly when one is so effusive in his praise. |
"I would want a reviewer to compare its performance to more expensive designs, not lower cost product(s). What is the sense in that? The Contriva Diacera is a more expensive than the Q3 and that comparison makes more sense to Magico IMO."
I believe he just compared the Magico to the Tidal because that is the last speaker he had in his room. He did the same thing when he compared the B&W 803diamond to the Tidal. |
Well, I had read Jeff's review and was amazed at his euphoria about the Magicos. I have only had limited opportunities to hear both the Q3s and the Tidal Piano Ceras, but I heard nothing like what he described from either speaker. I've never thought much of any Magico, with the exception of the V3 and know a guy who sold his V3 to buy Tidal Contriva Diacera SEs.
All I can really say is that my conclusion would be the opposite of Jeff's. He must be very impressed, however, as the Magicos replace his Rockport Arrakises.
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Clavil, I only attempted to point out the unfairness in comparing one design that retails for 65% more, and where one is less likely to get a discount. If I came out with a new speaker product, I would want a reviewer to compare its performance to more expensive designs, not lower cost product(s). What is the sense in that? The Contriva Diacera is a more expensive than the Q3 and that comparison makes more sense to Magico IMO. Are you suggesting that the Contriva Diacera and Piano Cera have the same issues? |
Q3 going up to $39,500.00 Sept 2nd is it worth it.Will they be coming out with a Q2 wonder? |
I agree with you a 100%, Clavil. I was so hopping to like these Tidal and was so disappointed. A friend of mine bought them, blindly, after all the raves here on Audiogon. Silly things we audiophiles do... |
"As an owner of the Tidal Piano Cera, I have no problem with the reviewer comparing my $23,000 retail loudspeaker to the $39,000 Magico."
"the Tidal seemed to add a faint scrim of noise to each note, a single flaw that became a sonic roadblock: I couldnÂ’t ignore it."
I understand, but the problem is that Tidal's Diacera Contriva (same price category than the Q3 or more expensive) is doing exactly the same ...
I personnally dislike this kind of lacquer put on the music which makes it sound "nicer" for certain type of audiophile freak. This is not working and even disturbing for a musician or melomane listener. |
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Not sure why it's cutting off the end of the URL. The above link does seem to work. If not,
Go To: www.absolutesounds.com
which is the UK distributor for Magico. Then to to "Press Room" and then click on download the PDF review. Hope this works.
Michael |
Sorry about that. Go to:
http://www.absolutesounds.com/index.php?page=17
and click on the Magico Q3 review under VIEW "download PDF"
Just tried it again and it works.
Michael |
sorry the link is not working |
http://www.absolutesounds.com/includes/tng/pub/tNG_download4.php?page=17&category=review&KT_download1=d9c97c2526888342ab3211fec3231467 |
And a few days I have at home the Maestro Focal Utopia play .......
divinely, and I need to hear more ........
Midia ..... fantastic bass range is high sublime .....
If you have the opportunity to sneak listen.
Hello ciro. |
I guess that would be the first time I have indirectly paid compliments to MDF :-) |
I take that as a compliment to the Tidals! I also think that the Tidal might work better than the Q3 in small rooms (particularly when considering the variogain room tuning feature) but for ultimate performance the Q3 is world class at its price point. |
The Tidals are yet another variation of the done-and-redone Accuton drivers, still with MDF - indeed a feat for them to be compared with the Q3. |
As an owner of the Tidal Piano Cera, I have no problem with the reviewer comparing my $23,000 retail loudspeaker to the $39,000 Magico. |
Wow! Quite ballsy. Refreshing. Can't wait to see what the Tidal guys have to say... |
Q3 review:
http://ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=158:magico-vs-the-world-the-q3-loudspeakers&catid=44:feature-articles&Itemid=37 |
I have had the same experience Stringreen. The M5 is decent but at the price there are many better options imo. That said I have not heard the Q line so it may be quite nice. |
Looks like Jeff Fritz at Ultra Audio might be first:
http://ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=118:magico-q3-review-&catid=32:letters&Itemid=47 |
The next issue (September) of Hi-Fi News & Record Review magazine will have an exclusive review of the Q3. |
So far, any Magico speaker I've listened to was a disappointment. Same goes to YG. |
it's too early, some reviews spend months with speakers before reviewing them. Also many of the mags just reviewed the Q5 before the Q3 came out. |
Thank you guys very kind .....
I wondered why it seemed odd that a speaker
no ..... acclaimed magazine did a review.
Sorry for my English. |
Wait for Absolute Sound im sure they will love them as they love everything Magico!! |
there are. do a quick search |
