2. speakers
  3. 132787-435

Pure Audio Project Loudspeaker with Voxativ driver option

I have played the Loudspeaker merry go round a lot Maybe 6 times in 7 years .
My last speaker was very good the Marten Logan impression 11a. And j upgraded the crossover 
It  sounded good but dynamics is not one of their string suits. I heard these Pure Audio Project
Speakers at a friend's, it was all over ML 11-A speaker gone. With these trio 15 model,
You have to put these Open Baffle speakers together they take about 5 hours to put together 
You have roughly 5 midrange- tweeter wide band driver options,I chose the Excellent Voxativ wide band driver,with the Leonitis crossover . This crossover has only 5 parts, and the option to not use the inductor for the midrange .I chose not to use it slightly less warm  ,but better detail by a few %.
There is only 1 Huge capacitor a 68 mictofareds. This is because it rolls off at about 350hz 
To the Dual 15 inch Neodymium woofers . The stovk capacitor decent Mundorf  Mcap,
Not good enough for me .let me back up a moment. The crossover board is a screw terminal Munforf board all Gold plated Copper. Which is Very good .no solder,direct contact,purer sound.
I put in the newer Clarity Csa- capacitor.  And a 1.0 Arizona Cactus aluminum foil Blue oil capacitor ,.a fantastic match.  Not content yet I added a 2.2uf Jupiter Copper foil Beeswax capacitor. A great combination with cactus .  After about roughly 300 hours 95% run in. These capaciyors take a Loong time.   The sound very Electrostatic like, plus a huge soundstage I am only 2ft from the front wall and 3ft from the sides. These speakers are 95db efficient 8ohms.
The Bass is very fast punchy and detailed in room to roughly 28hz ,from my demo cra.
The purity of the Voxativ driver is incredibly good,The almost natural driver I have ever heard .
They offer their field coil drivers thst are much better still starting at $8500,or $12000 a pair .
They go up to $32k for their top field coil drivers. The Voxativ drivers are all hand built in Berlin .
A 24 hour run under duress is completed before they go anywhere. 
A very important option I choose and was Highly recommended, was the Verastarr Wiring harness 
Option a $700 option that is a solid 10-15%  better with these foil wires,the Silver foils are a $1k option. Even st low volume you can hear the performance 60on the sol meter.
These speakers play every kind of music with clarity and great inner detail. They will play loud enough for most but not all. 90db on up is Ear damage territory,these will play to 95-100 db,higher on peaks. Head banging speakers these are not . Listening to Tracy Chapman, Art Garfunckle
They are in the room ,jazz playing Chet baker  the trumpet  just stands in space .
Rock and Rolll for sure the 15 inch mid- woofers mean business. 
If you are in New England Ct Ma area email me to come over for a listen.
audioman58

Showing 5 responses by radiohead99

radiohead99
79 posts
 
I've recently switched from Trio15 Voxativ to Horn1. I would consider the switch an improvement. Either the Voxativ or Horn1 is a tremendous speaker. It's amazing how much sound quality (and tweak ability) you get for the money.

@audioman58 : My experience is that having a bass trap or sound treatment behind the Trio15 took away the openness of the soundstage. I mostly prefered having the sound panels on the first reflection point.

Have you used Lefson resistors? Jeff Day posted rave reviews about them. But they are quite a bit more expensive than Path. How would you describe path resistors changed the sound in Trio15? Also, what foot do you recommend for the Trio15?

radiohead99
79 posts
 
Thanks @audioman58 . I agree a lot of it is subjective. Both voxativ and horn1 has its strength/weakness and personal preference and system suitability makes a big difference.

But I'd say this - Horn1 is more refined than the Voxativ AC 1.6. 
radiohead99
79 posts
 
Agree with Ralph! The PAP speaker I have (previously the Voxativ and now the Horn1) - they can certainly please headbanger. I'm not one of those. But I listen to lot of rock music. I'd not have them if they couldn't rock. And they rock so well!

@audioman58 I do have the Lenoidas crossover for my Horn1. I'm thinking of getting the bi-ampable horn crossover. According to Doug's review on Dagogo, there's a chance that I may like that even more. 

I'm curious to hear more about Verastarr internal wire upgrade. To be honest, I do not need more details. There's is so much more details coming out of music that I didn't know existed. What else Verastarr wire brings to the music? I'm also curious whether the Verastarr speaker wire would be a nice match with PAP speakers as well
radiohead99
79 posts
 
I owned the PAP Voxativ and then later upgraded to Horn1. Here are my thoughts:

- As good as PAP Voxativ is, Horn1 is BETTER in almost every parameter.
- If there's one area Voxativ version has an advantage over Horn1 is the soundstage width. But that's expected given Horn1 is well, horn.
- If you prefer a brighter/up front sound, you might like Voxativ better. Horn1 is warmer compare to Voxativ.
- Horn1 is quieter, more refined, poised and more musical than Voxativ.
- Horn1 has no downside that people associate with horn drivers. It's smooth as butter, detailed, never in your face and has the LIVE music feeling.

Despite having 4x15" woofer in PAP, It integrated with my small room better than my previous small floor stander that went down to 35hz at -3db. I used to have so many room treatments and bass traps. Not needed anymore with PAP. Open baffle is very room friendly. However, it is WIDE and may not fit with every room decor.

I was also fortunate to hear the uber expensive Voxativ Field Coil driver with the PAP and compare to Horn1. PM me if interested in hearing my impression.

PAP either Vox or Horn1 is amazing value for money. 

radiohead99
79 posts
 
Sorry for the late reply. Here's what my subjective impression between Horn1 and VOX FC. 

I think given the price difference, the choice is obvious - Horn1. However, sound is subjective and I can easily see that someone picking Vox FC over Horn1.

FC was little more open sounding but IMO had a brighter/upfront presentation than Horn1. You'd have to be very careful about your upstream component to make them sound smooth. They are very revealing and will expose the flaw in your recording. Horn1 is warmer, more refined and more musical. Equally detailed but never in your face. 

I'd say Horn1 is easier to like (given my taste) but FC can dig deeper into your music. Given my music taste (I listen to lot of rock/pop music with lesser sound quality), Horn1 was the ideal choice. For really good recordings, FC will be better. 

Horn1 has narrow dispersion and smaller soundstage width compare to Field Coil. This is expected given the horn driver nature. However, I didn't see any horn coloration AT ALL. Horn1 will play nice with your room acoustics. FC has wider dispersion/bigger soundstage width which is nice but you'd have to be careful with room interaction.
More to discover