Proac Response 2.5 vs D25

I trid a search in the forums but didn't get exactly what I wanted; that being someone who has had the opportunity to directly A/B the D25 vs the R2.5 or was a former R2.5 owner and moved into the D25. I owned the R2.5s for about 2 yrs and am considering another pair. Clearly, the R2.5s on the pre-owned market SHOULD be a good deal. However, it would seem that the current for-sale ads are bit out-of-line. My other concern it that the R2.5 is very demanding of power. I used Copland CTA-401, Plinius SA-100 mkII, BAT VK-200, Levinson 331 and Sonic Frontiers P2 over the time I owned the R2.5. The Plinius was the winner. I now have a VTL IT-85 which would be fine for the D25, per Richard, but not for the R2.5. I sold off my separates for personal reasons. I could sell the IT-85 and look into a CAP-151 or other high power/high current integrated but that is yet to be determined.

Hi Zosima- What do you think would beat the D25 at $5500 NEW? I have considered the Silverline Sonatina ($5k), Concident Super II ($6k) as i'd like to stay with the IT85 for the foreseeable future. The A'gon ads for R2.5s are still hovering around $2500 =/- and are not in mint condition.

Hello Cleopatra52- Yes, I agree, you rarely see Coincidents available pre-owned. They continue to be a strong consideration. I have heard these and they are special and at 92db, I think the IT-85 will make them fly.

Hello Essentialaudio- My conversation with Richard Gerburg goes contrary to what you are indicating. He felt the IT-85 w/80 wpc in tetrode, would work well with the D25s. He did agree that the Plinius has an extraordinary synergy with the R2.5. Having only attended the HE NYC shows, which ProAc does not participate, I cannot personally comment.

All-
I went to a local shop and auditioned the D25s. The system as all Sim Audio Moon SACD/processor/amp and Siltech cabling. I didn't take note of the models but the amp was 5 channel at 150 wpc. For those in my area, I think you know where I was.

The D25 has the signature ProAc voicing. Easy to listen to, laid back, good soundstage and imaging. I think Richard is correct in that the bass is more pronounce. However, and this may have been the result of insuffcient break-in, they seemed vailed from what my memory provides from my time with the R2.5s. Still, very non-fatiguing and satisfying. It's hard to know if the D25 is better than the R2.5. But, considering it's going to be sometime before we see the D25s pre-owned, the R2.5 is a clear bargain at their current pre-owned selling price.

As an added adventure, I listened to the new Audio Physic Tempos aka Tempo 4. These are again, very much in the AP house sound. Analytical, very resolving and forward for my taste. BUT, the new side-firing woofer is amazing. Bass like nothing I have heared short of the Revel. The soundstage was actually larger than the D25s. There was more definition within the players as well. These are going to give the new Virgos a serious run for the buyers. It's going to be hard to justify the price jump. Also, the new cabinet is much more attactive than the Tempo IIIi's. The demos were in the Rosenut, which is a $350 (?) premium but I think the WAF is an uplift too.
I think a good tube amp would tame that forward sound. I know it did on the Tempo IIIi's I had.

Dodgealum-
Thanks for the insight. Being in the NYC area, perhaps there is a Fried dealer in the area. What it the hyperlink to the Fried web page?