Primaluna Dialogue Premium or Premium HP?


I am hoping for some feedback from anyone who has experience with the PL Premium or HP.  I have a Dialogue One now, that I really love!  I have B&W 803N speakers, which are notorious for being hard to drive.  However, this Dialogue drives them wonderfully.  Now, the bug has got me, and I'm thinking to upgrade, to get clearer, cleaner (still tubes) sound, and a bit more power for bass control and power.

That said, I'm considering either the Dialogue Premium or the Dialogue Premium HP integrated amp.  I am able to get a good deal on the HP, making the cost difference unimportant.  Any thoughts on the difference in the two?  Only once, I read that the HP has more power but less finesse.  Anyone have experience with both who could comment on this?  Or other considerations?  Which would you choose if cost weren't the object?  Of course, saying that... going to separates would be cost prohibitive.  I know I'd see even more improvement with separates, but don't want to spend that cash now.

And, there isn't an option for me to audition them next to each other.  I'm going on faith and my current PL experience... and hopefully the collective knowledge of this forum.

Thanks!
128x128soundermn
Hello There.
Has anyone tried Primaluna Dialogue HP with KT150 tubes. Is it better than kt120 or mentioned kt 88 Gold Lion?
Now i have Audio Physic Virgo V and wondering if PL Dialogue HP can run those speakers ?
I am also thinking about new speakers, custom based 3 way on scan speak illuminator which may be even more demanding  from amp.
Best Regards from Poland
Definitely go with KT150s. I went from 88s to 120s and while that was a great improvement, I had some of the artifacts mentioned in previous posts about the 120s (it’s been awhile so I don’t remember exactly what I didn’t 100% love about them, even though they were a good upgrade from the 88s). About 6 months later I had read all the write-ups on 150s, and while 8 of them is an expensive upgrade-gamble, it was totally worth it. Noticeable right off the bat, and with some burn in even better. A much bigger jump than from 88s to 120s. I would always have 150s in a component that could take them (until they make 175s or whatever!).

If you’re PL can take 150s and you don’t mind leaving the cage off (it doesn’t fit any longer), I haven’t read a single post anywhere where someone upgraded and regretted it.

Just for clarity’s sake, I own super efficient Zu Soul Supreme speakers (the combo is killer), so the 150 upgrade for me was NOT about power increase but to get better bass and top end (which they gave me in spades).

Also, if you’re debating HP or not (vs. the "normal" Dialogue Premium), the headphone amp is truly outstanding as mentioned. I have HiFIMan HE1000s and it drives them superbly--probably as well or better than the $4200 McIntosh HP amp I also own (because of the rave reviews with the HE1000s). I love the McIntosh, but it’s not better and I’m probably going to move that whole rig to another system to simplify my main listening rig.
Hi all, 

My apologies if I am highjacking the thread, but does anyone have experience with a Dialogue 4?

I have an opportunity to get a good deal on a Dialogue 4 amp. 
Its in good condition, and sounds good to me (my current integrated is a Musical Fidelity M3Si, this will also be the pre-amp for now). 

There is also an opportunity to buy a Dialogue Premium amp, also a good deal, but its over double the price of the Dialogue 4. 

Do any of you have experience with these two? Is the extra $$$ worth it? would the Premium be that much better than the older 4?

Any and all thoughts and opinions are welcome. 

Cheers, 
M,
I love my ProLogue 3 and Prologue 5. Just a fantastic combo and work well with my KEF R900.

I'm wondering... Can I upgrade the KT88s in the Prologue 5 to KT120 or KT 150? I've replaced all the gain tubes already.
You can definitely go to KT120. Not sure about 150, but there is information about this on the PL web site. Or call Kevin Deal.