Pre/Power or Integrated for Focal Utopia Scala?

quest88, i think vtl is more musical sounding. octave is good ,fast and more strong hifi.
vtl makes music.both are good, but it is what you like.

Focalfan, thank you for your response. I did feel that the Octave V80 was lacking in expressions/emotion and that it was very aggressive.

However, since I listen to electronic music, was willing to give the pre/power a chance, hoping it will be better. I will go to hear VTL today. Hopefully this is my last 2 stops. :)

Hi Quest. We are a Focal Utopia dealer and the great option that we have found for the Focal Utopia speakers are Burmester electronics. I am quite surprised that this option didn't make your short list. The attack on dynamics, the tonal balance, and the airy image that the Scala/Burmester combination deliver has been second to none for us. We have the entire Focal Utopia line on display and have tested the Scalas with a variety of electronics and the Burmester amps and preamps have come out on top everytime. As a second and more advanced option, I will highly recommend the Devialet D-Premier. The Focal Scala Utopia has repeatedly been demonstrated at shows with the Devialet D-Premier and the result has been astounding. We regularly impress our clientel with the Devialet/Focal Scala package and many have opted to own this system. Of course, we would be open to hear from you and advise you further given our many years of experience with Focal Utopia. www.digitalear.com

Thanks for your response Digitalear. It's unfortunate but I think Burmester isn't represented in my country.

I also know of the Devialet and had high hopes, but wasn't impressed with what I heard during the HK show. Unfortunately it was not hooked to the Scala. This brand is also not represented in my country!

Anyway, I auditioned both the Octave and VTL and felt they have similar traits with varitants depending on the tubes used. Both are good in their own way, and I lean a bit more towards Octave from what I heard at home. But it seems that the Scalas like more power than I thought and 100w may not be enough (I did not try the black box).. going for high powered monoblocks for either brand will considerably up the cost.

I'm home trialing a full Chord setup now including 480W monoblocks as a no obligation courtesy from a friendly dealer and find it seems to finally wake this speaker up..

It seems funny to come full circle. After trying Chord's 480w monoblocks, I find power makes a big difference to the Scalas despite their 92db sensitivity.

For instance, I tried using the Mcintosh MC452 on the Scalas but they were just not enough. Strange, for a 450w. An old 500 series amp did fine though.

This required a increase in budget and revisit of many brands.

I tried Passlabs X600.5 monos with XP20 and didn't think it was for me. I then tried the Mcintosh MC601 with the accompanying C500 or C1000 pre-amp and found that good if somewhat slower than the norm. Better low-end grip than the Passlabs and a nicer tone though. This is the combo they are using in HK and it sounds nice for most music.

I've also gone back to listen to Goldmund's 600w monoblocks which were very good with Focal, though I did not quite like the sound of their pre-amp together. Too bad these monos are above my budget. :)

No opportunity (or budget) to listen to top of the line VTL which I am sure will sound fantastic.

During this time, the Chord dealer then loaned me the CPA5000 pre-amp and that was an immediate jump and resolved the aggressiveness I felt the CPA4000 and 3000 lacked. Chord is leading the pack as of this moment in terms of performance/dollar, but also partially because I was given a good deal on them.

All the above combos are very good in their own right and have slightly different character. At this price range, the equipment become increasingly transparent and the sound of your tweaks such as isolation and cables become stronger.

Hope this helps someone else on a similar hunt in the future.

As for me, the hunt for other areas such as cabling will begin shortly.. will look into echole as Focalfan has mentioned before.