Power output of tube amps compared to solid states


I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how tube amp power output relates to solid state power output. I've been looking at the classifieds for tube amps and I see lots of tube amps with 50w or 60w output, but nothing close to the 250w output typical of solid state amps.

So I have no idea what type of tube amp is required for my set up, right now I'm using totem forests with a required power rating of 150w-200w at 8ohms. The bass is so powerful on these that I have the sub crossover set to 40hz.

My question is, are tube amps so efficient that 50w from a tube sounds like 150w from a solid state? Or will 50w output from a tube severely limit how loud I can play my speakers? If so, are tubes usually meant to be driving super-high efficiency speakers?

I had previously tried a tube pre-amp with a solid state power amp (both musical fidelity) and didn't like the results because the imaging suffered greatly, even though the music sounded nicer from a distance. Now I want to try a solid state pre-amp (bryston) with a tube power amp (no idea which brand to look at), but I don't know how much power output I need or if it will even be possible with my speakers. Does anyone know what I would require?
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Aball's comment about "electron mobility being about a zillion times higher in a vacuum than in doped silicon" reminds me of something Bill Johnson once said about a signal going through a vacuum tube coming out unharmed while a signal going through a semi-conductor gets altered/harmed in various ways.

In practice when listening you can often hear that solid state equipment tends to harden and sharpen transients while closing in the ambient space of live recordings and obscuring the subtle textures of instruments. I assume that this is in part because a signal has to "fight" its way through a solid material in the case of a semi conductor and doesn't do so in a vacuum tube.

I've always intuitively felt that it's because of what Aball was referring to in his post that the sonic advantages of tubes over transistors exist even when the amplifier operates nowhere near clipping and also exist in preamplifier comparisons. IOW, there seem to be some intrinsic advantages to vacuum tubes apart from their distortion behavior.
Yes Pubul57, the signal does have to fight its way through all of that copper wire, but as we have learned over the last couple of decades, the dielectric is as important as the conductor and air dielectrics sound the best in cables for much the same reason that a vacuum sounds best in amplification.

The less physically intrusive dielectric there is to block and distort the signal, the better.