@thyname — don’t you understand audio is not about music or ‘what you hear’. It’s all about measurements and double blind tests, paper tigers, and graph gremlins. The actual act of listening is not only unnecessary, it’s highly overrated. |
^^ Are we seeing yet another reincarnation of the famous poster who keeps popping up like hydra's heads? |
@ironlung -- in that case, please accept my apologies. |
There is no compression algorithm for ‘actual’ listening. |
@ironlung — excellent explanation about wired vs WiFi. This should be standard textbook reply to the ‘zeroes are zeroes and ones are ones’ crowd. |
When someone starts questioning others’ credentials, and worse, starts throwing theirs around, it usually means they can’t win the argument on substance alone. |
I have a few new monickers for audio design that will come in handy when he is banned and wants to pop up again ...
navel-gazer-123
i-am-legend-007
Hydra-09
You can thank me later. |
A few years ago I held on to the same belief that streamers don't make a difference. I lived with an Apple TV, and later, Chromecast Audio for almost 3 years. The music did not sound bad, but there was an obvious digital glare and fatigue. I just didn't know what I was missing. It was only when I moved up to Bluesound Node 2i, and later on Sonore Optical Rendu, that I realized what was missing. The biggest improvement, at least in my system, was the reduction in floor noise and an overall 'musicality' that was missing earlier. So in short, NO, the Chromecast Audio is not on par with higher priced streamers. Not even close! |
Lol! this thread is continuing to get funnier by the post. Here's someone who has 'actually' owned and listened to chromecast and compared it with other streamers, but guys who have only read reviews and looked at measurements continue to insist that actual listening experience does not matter. Have at it!
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I have lived with Apple TV, Chromecast, Node 2i, and Sonore Optical Rendu for many years. Still own all four. And I've gotten to know all four pieces of equipment over a much longer period of time, instead of rushed A/B comparisons. My source is also Roon, and Chromecast is nowhere near the quality of Sonore or Node 2i. Period.
I guess it's hard for some to believe that staring at measurement graphs is not a good indictor of digital playback. As I've said before, there is no compression algorithm for actual listening.
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@thyname -- and let’s not forget the ’racism’ tactic. A false moral equivalency has been created between any criticism of chi-fi and outright racism against China. So basically, if you point out any deficiencies in the chifi products, first you will be beaten with the ’measurement’ stick and if that doesn’t work, you will be proclaimed a racist to shut you up!
So enjoy the products made by luminaries like Nelson Pass and John Curl while they last. Once the notion of ’planned obsolescence’ takes root in high end audio, you can forget about pushing the envelope, craftsmanship, longevity and pride in ownership. You’ll be lucky if your component will last beyond 5 years, but hey at least they will have perfect measurements, right? |
Just as I predicted, any criticism of Chinese business practices is being equated with racism. There was nothing in my posts that attacked the social, ethnic, or cultural aspects of China. But the fact remains that the brazen theft of intellectual property and trade secrets, currency manipulation, illegal dumping, lopsided trade policies that create an unequal playing field for foreign companies operating in China, etc. has had a devastating impact on local economies, especially the smaller companies who thrive on innovation and R&D.
So yeah, if the companies in Sweden, Denmark or Finland start stealing IP, flooding the market with clones or fakes, while their governments not only look the other way but encourage such practices, we will have no problem calling them out as well.
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