PMC 24 and Canalis Cambria two way floorstanders; What is the advantage to this design?:


I recently noticed several 2 way floor standers, in particular, the PMC.24 ($6000 retail) and the Canalis Cambria  at $5000 retail.  Pro-AC and  Spendor also offer a few 2 way floorstanders

Is there any advantage to a 2 way floor stander  to a 3 way system??

I am aware that less drivers and crossovers, and a slimmer cabinet "usually" provide better sound quality; However, the retail prices of the above don't seemed to represent "good value".

Thank you, S.J. 

sunnyjim

Showing 8 responses by sunnyjim

Thank you to all who have responded so far.

To Steve,  You make several good points However, my point about "good value" has little to do with how speakers look or the appearance  of  the cabinet.

Sound quality is the most important issue. However, as I said many times before:..."Quality sound.... but at what price??"  

There has to be a glass ceiling for the "performance versus price ratio"  I anticipated comments about the quality of the components and crossover design knowing full well the importance of quality parts and also inspired execution of sound quality via engineering genius  However, how many designers fit that classification . Price does not necessarily guarantee  ingenious speaker engineering and so, outstanding sound quality. . 

 To Twoleftears: Based on what I said above, don't you think the PMC .24 could be designed, built, and marketed  for less than $6000?. In the same way, that YG's first version of the Carmel speaker could have been priced at less than $18,000. The current Carmel MKII  now retails for $29,000.

Thanks to all,

S.J. 


 To two left ears:  Thank you for the return comment.


To willewonka:  Nobody will deny manufacturers deserve to make a profit

However, as you mention of that  "insanity... is the way of the world" , then maybe the world needs to changed for the better, or more sane"

Happy New Year to all

S.J. 

Thank you to those who responded.

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Without starting a new thread, does it make sense to buy a speaker that is 17 years old versus another that is newer, like issued within 5 years.

I ran across an ad on ebay for a pair of Audio Physic Avanti MK II speakers that look in very good condition. The other option would be Revel Performa F-206 that I have considered but can't find a used pair to fit my budget.

 I am familiar with the legacy of both brands  Related to the above thread the Revel's F-206 is a 3 way design and comes with those accursed port bungs.  The AP Avanti MKII may be considered a 2.5 way speaker, that has two drivers on the front baffle, and one side firing woofer on  each speaker.  Anyone  familiar with the sound quality of either speaker?? 

Thank you,  

S.J.

Thanks you to the new responders for their comments


TO: TWOLEFTEARS:

Max Budget  $2500- $3000. on "used market"

The following is the system and room size:

Conrad Johnson PV14SL SE  pre-amp

BAT VK-200 amp ( 100RMS)

Ayre CX7e mp   CD player

Grover Huffman EX speaker cables

Golden Ear Technology model 7 speakers

Listening space: 12X15 with 8.5ft ceilings

Note: Listening space opens into a 12X18 dining/kitchen area divided by a medium size couch. Standard furnishing on walls and floor

I am trying to replace the GET 7 speakers because my current electronics seem capable of better sound via the speakers.

P.S.  I never was a big fan of expensive monitor speakers whether 2 way or even 3 way. They are overpriced, for example, Harbeth, Spendor, Sterling, J.M.Reynard, Totem etc. 



twoleftears:  BTW, the Avanti MKII's I mentioned  appeared on e-bay in an auction ad . It expired on Wednesday or Thursday. The same seller ran the ad on AG about two months, but their were no takers

I heard the Totem Forests several years ago, and not sure how the Signature version is an upgrade in  sound.quality  The Triangle V's and Proac D-28 you cited I did not audition

Also thanks  to "itzhak1969" and keithtexas for your  comments.


To ps.  Thank you for  reminding me of my other threads I have posted concerning buying  new speakers.  I hope you are not indicating you are annoyed, by my several post, though it seems that way to me

Having been on this blog for over 10 years, I often witnessed members who become impatient with others who post threads about products asked about before. There are several ways to ask a question about an audio product

To me, I could care less about how many times a member posts thread about the same type of component. I hope I can help them based on my own knowledge and reviews of the product I may have read. Redundancy is just being scrupulous and careful, especially when it comes to speakers. It is almost impossible to hear every speaker a person may have interest in, and I have discovered overall the last 10 years that in many  audio showrooms, staff personnel are either arrogant or dismissive unless you declare you are buying the same day. Often,they can push customers to feel  obligated to buy. This attitude does not proceed from  the salesman's duty of "closing the sale", but usually from laziness and not wanting to make the buyer feel comfortable. When I used to "regularly tour audio stores, I've seen many a customer just walk out under such conditions.  It got to the point that when I walked into an shop, I would amiably announce that... "I was not buying today ,but just looking"  and of course I was treated like I had the bubonic plague

This may be getting a bit off topic, but sites like Audiogon should always be open and tolerant of others who either lack the knowledge of a product, or are reluctant to commit to a product without getting as much information as possible. We all have buying foibles, so my mantra is... "so ask away"

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Thanks, S.J.  

 

To ps.  All good points  I think the Sonus Faber Cremona, etc is out of my price range. I did consider the Magnepan..7 which received many very good reviews. However, even though they are a different design with a different sound field than the GET 7's,  I thought they would be just a move sideways with a few minimal exceptions. I could consider the new 1.7i  which was issued last year; but you are familiar with the Maggies problematic nature in rooms of different sizes and lay-outs.

My listening space is 12X15 which opens into a equal size dining and kitchen area.  I believe the dealer I bought GET 7's from is also a Magneplanar dealer. I "might" have the option of a trade-in, but also have to pay 9.5% state tax on the remaining balance after trade value is applied..

BTW, I have passed over the Scansonic 2.5 's  which I have read and been told take a long time to break in and are finicky about placement.  I also passed on he Audio Physics Avanti II speaker , and Virgo I and IIs. The former is too big and also heavy, and the latter are too old in design  and could be possibly electronic and mechanical liability regardless of AP's reputation.


Thank you for the advice

S.J.        

TO PS;   Thank you again for the recommendation and advice.

One final question, you highly regard the Maggie .7;  however, does the Maggie 1.7i offer more and better performance??  I have the electronics to drive either one.  I listed my system's components above on 1/4/18

S.J...