Please tutor me on some integrated amp basics.


I’ve recently purchased Magico A3 speakers and a VPI Classic 2 SE turntable with an Ortofon Black 2M moving magnet cartridge. I have a Marantz SA 8005 CD/SACD player to play the few (maybe a hundred or so) CD’s in my possession.
I’ve mostly vinyl albums and no streaming sources. I’m next going to upgrade my old amp/preamp purchased back in the late 70’s with a new, probably integrated, one and am starting to do some research.

Here’s where I need some tutoring. A lot has changed since the seventies with the advent of digital technology. As well as I need to learn more about amplification components in the high end of audio technology. I keep running across terms I don’t understand. I’ll give you a list and if someone would be kind enough to explain these basics I’d be obliged.

For instance I was reading about the Hegel H360 integrated amp that Magico’s Alon Wolf recommended for their A3’s. The review mentioned they were a Class A/B amp, another person commented Class A’s were better, and a third person said he didn’t care for Class D amps. What do these classes signify? 

A second question is about DACs. I generally understand their purpose of the DAC, converting a digital to an analog signal. However my only digital device, the Marantz SA 8005 already has a DAC, ostensibly of good quality. The turntable ’s Ortofon cartridge would not need to play through a DAC, I presume. Would I bypass the CD’s players DAC if I purchase the higher quality Hegel H360 integrated amp?. Or could I find an equivalent integrated amp without an integral DAC?

On the other side of the equation I understand the turntable’s cartridge cannot play through the Hegel without first going through a phono stage. My old Phase Linear 4000 preamp you just plugged the turntables RCA cables into the back of the preamp and you were done. What’s that about? Do they make equivalent integrated amps to the Hegel H360 with integrated phono stages already in place, so I can just plug my turntable in as I’ve been able to do before. The amps don’t seem to be well integrated at all if you have to add a pricey phono stage to make them work, and end up having an extra DAC. That’s just me whining.

Third question is what are monoblocks, how are they used, and what are their advantages to a system? They were used at one of my speaker auditions.

I figured out the answer to what amplifier damping was myself, so I’m sparing you that one, but what does the term impedance mean? I keep coming across that.

Thank goodness I don’t have to figure out the cabling nightmare yet. Thanks for any help.

Mike
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Kimber never could touch Audioquest. Why would they suddenly start now? 
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@geoffkait Some Monster knockers couldn’t tell the difference between cables, tube or solid state amps or absolute polarity. Were you at AES in LA? ~<:-P

Been to shows as exhibitor many times. In some of the best systems ever assembled my mankind. My impression is people generally have no idea what the heck they’re listening to. And even if they do, that ceases after about an hour of having their ears assaulted by the horrible sound. I’ve never seen so many dazed and confused people at one time. And they were the industry folks. Not to mention most rooms at shows sound pretty terrible anyway, especially Day One, while folks have some chance of hearing something. I don’t believe AES has any real audiophile cred, nor did they ever. Maybe it’s just me. 😳 I wasn’t at AES in LA but I was at the Coke Convention back in 1965. All in favor of static displays, say aye. Aye!

geoffkait - Pop quiz - are coat hangers directional? answer at 11

glupson - It depends on the wood they are made of and how it was cut.

>>>>>Did you just cut one? 
Monster gets a bad rap for a reason. OK, it’s better than coat hangers, I’ll give you that.
Geoff, I’d appreciate if you didn’t head my thread off in a related, but different direction, while I’m trying to figure this out with your and other’s valued advice. Are there any $1000+ cables you’d consider to be a sure bet and should be on my short list? Preferably ones by not too esoteric a manufacturer with a a decent track record? I read your thoughts on cryogenic treatment of cables, and had read some others who passed this off as gimmickry. Not to focus on cryogenics, I’m curious what aspects of cable design you’d recommend I should avoid as gimmicks and what might be legitimate design factors to look for. I really have no way of knowing what’s legitimate design or manufacturing practices, and what’s not, and opinions on the internet are all over the place. I am trying to learn though, best I can by asking questions. Thanks for your advice,

>>>Almost all high end cable manufacturers cryo their cables, otherwise they could not compete in the high end marketplace. It’s not a gimmick. I was one of the very first to explore cryogenics for audio applications twenty years ago. Of those companies with a range of prices for cables, including modest cost cables, I’d suggest Audioquest, Shunyata, Anti Cables and other progressive cable companies. Most enlightened cable companies control directionality during the manufacturing process. Good luck in your quest.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
Advanced Audio Concepts
kosst_amojan
@geoffkait

What’s your point? Who can’t buy reels of cryo’d cable and wire? I can. I don’t think it makes any difference.

>>>>>Bingo! That’s my point! You don’t think it makes any difference.

And cryogenics is only one example of things people don’t know about making cables or dismiss. That’s why I say building a superior sounding cable is difficult for most people. Directionality is obviously another issue people don’t know about or dismiss, no?
kosst_amojan
Cables aren't hard to build either.

No, it’s not hard to build cables per se. However building cables that truly sound superior is a horse of a different color and requires some special knowledge and skills beyond what most people probably would be thinking. For example, almost all high end cables are cryogenically treated.