Right on John, that great feedback. I do not necessarily need to rock the house as well, just getting a feel for where they are at. Honestly, most of my listening falls into the same categorie as yours.
Thanks,
Peter |
Yes, budget will be in the 5 to 7k range (for used equipment)with the outside chance that I would forgo getting a higher quality cdp and spend more on say the parsifals or amati homage, 10-13k range. This however is an outside chance.
I should say that even if you have no expereince with my particular system or components, just getting an idea of how these listed speakers perform, i.e. if there is a "house sound" would be very useful for me.
For example, I've heard the verty's may not handle rock music so well. Info like that is very useful for me. Thanks fo rthe recommendation RW.
Thanks all,
Peter |
Those look interesting Johnnyb. What room size are you listening to those in and how far away are you sitting from them? How do they handle rock?
Thanks,
Peter |
I got ya on that one Doug. You see, I am still musically relatively undeveloped. However, my better half, who is the actual musician, is developed. So far, she has bought three LP's with encouragement from me to buy more.
Which did she purchase you might ask? Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky.
So you see Doug, I may, with any luck, get there :-)
Thanks for your help,
Peter |
Thanks for the help folks. I've never heard horns before and have wondered about their sound. i am surprised no one has put in a vote for the verty's since they recieve such good reviews from folks here
Dan ed, where do I find out more info about the Edgarhorn? I admire your DIY attitude. How mush of a time investment is such a feat, biulding a speaker?
I'll look into the Avantegarde's Chris. Thanks for the suggestion.
How about audio physics? Any opinions there?
Cheers |
Thanks Johnny. John, how do the encores perform with rock, bigger movemnts, loudness, etc. Like I stated before, I've heard verty's are great in intimate setting but may not perform with well on the rockin' you out scene.
This of course may be ok with me but i just want to get a feel for their performance. Say, how far apart do you have yours and how far do you sit from them.
That goes for all recommendations folks, that info would be most useful to me as i figure on how to get floorstanders into my room.
Thanks for all your great sugestions all.
Oem, Nick can be contacted through Larry Marcus at paragon Sight and Sound.
Cheers,
Peter |
Thanks Jeff. Another positive for the verity line. Thats good. |
Dan ed can you clarify for me what "heavy impedence loads means. This is relaitvely new terminolody for me and clarification would be much appreciated.
Cmk, thanks for the recommendations. I enjoy learning more about speakers that are out there, your a and b both being ones I have never thought of. Those Cabasse are crazy looking. Are those classfied as horns? Fantastic and no problem with me recommending speakers you use actively, Thats what I am looking for, knowledgable folks and you obviously know what your talking about if you have experienced it.
Can you give me a better description of the Dali's. Have you used them?
Thanks,
peter |
Oregon, thanks for the input. Yes too lucky I think sometimes. How indulgent are 6-7k speakers? Crazy really.
Oregon, could you explain why you would choose the verty's?
Thahks,
Peter |
Shadorne, that is interesting, but what does that tell me. I do note the behavior change but how does that relate to amp choice? Any light on that subject would be great.
Dan ed thanks for clarfying, I think Dougs BW's are 88dB. Could be wrong here though.
From what folks have said, I was under the assumption that the verity line was most commonly driven with lower powered tube amps and the results were fine. Does that graph indicate something different?
Thanks,
Peter |
After looking at the graphs supplied by Shadorne, I am a littel worried about the lectron's ability to drive those speakers. Although, and I might be off, I think they are rated 89dB, they do have a 4 ohm woofer and from the graph it does appear that they do dip down into that region. Dan ed, think the lectron can handle it? I am wondering. maybe i should be looking at the audio physics or the merlins? I think i'll call verity and see what they say. |
Thanks for the vote of confidence there Dan. Really, since I do not have a dedicated room, I mostly listen at fairly causual or normal levels, like you could easily have a conversation etc. And honestly this is the level i prefer to listen at.
Sometimes, maybe when no one is home or on a saturday night, i will turn it up, real loud, but like I said, that the exception not the rule.
Unfortunately i cannot try any of these speaker first hand. I have one smaller dealer in town who is open only by appointment and he does not cary any lines I am interested in. Anyway, I am looking used and I generally feel strange going to the dealer, trying out his gear and then coming here to buy it used. Seems like taking avantage of of something.
So I have to go on others opinions, thus yours Dan, being familiar with the Lectron is valued. Thanks |
Mark, thanks for the suggestions. As I listen to bass slam through my current system, a Bose ipod stand, I am reminded of the practical sense in all this. This Bose stand is ridiculously uninvovling. The rest of my system is in process of being built, so I have not even heard it through my current speakers. This, i know, seems ridiculous as well. How could I want to change speakers if I have not even heard my current momnitors on my current soon to be system.
Yet you must understand, change is the only constant, and so I desire more presentation, invovlment, presence. So a floorstander it is.
Therefore, I appreciate all and any considerations and truly enjoy researching them. So thanks.
Right about now, at this hour, the single malt is writing, not I. So excuse spelling, language, or any sense at all.
I am filled with options and must let the dust settle. This community is sooo knowledgable it is almost scary. Audphile, of course i must acknowledge your statements as well. I'll chwck out Dynaudio on your recommendation.
Cheers to all. |
I must say, that I am not looking for a huge speaker here. It must be a medium sized floorstander. I do not want them to overpower my living room which os closed and intimate. Therefore anything too tall or too deep is out, despite the beauty of sound. Aesthestics are important to me as well. I want the speaker to disappear in the general decor. Hopefully that helps folks understand what i look for.
Peter |
gregm, I appreciate the information. The active ATC's are on my short list for sure. I've heard great things. However, the Lectron is my first tube amp and I am sticking to it for now. This is the world i have choosen for the meantime so the active speakers will have to wait for awhile.
Of course, like you voiced, i do have concerns about getting the sound I want out of this amp, but I'll try for now and have fun doing it!! At the very least, i'll achieve some sound and be able to use it as a reference for where I want to go next, if anywhere.
Johnny, thanks for the vote for the Sonus Fabers. have you expereince with the Cremona's. Very good looking. I was wondering about the small front baffle and what that sounded like. Monitor like huh? Good to know. I suppose that puts me in range of the audio physic line, which also has a small front baffel. I've entertained thoughts on the Avanti III's but wonder if they are just too much for my space? Can you give me more feedback on the Cremona sound? Thanks and cheers folks. I'll be away for a couple of days but always appreciate the time and info you guys put into this thread so keep it coming!!
Peter |
Oh thanks there Dan. I was worried for a moment there. 2.5-3 feet is all I got!! So nop rear-ported speakers eh? Does that rule out the verty's? I can turn the base around to face out, although I have had people tell me it sounds better firing against the wall?
The reverberation from the clap is quick and dies solidly with out any continuing echos. So that might be alright? Wife will probably not be interested in any type of acousric treatments, but plants, pillows, ok!
Whats "you may benefit from LF do to room gain" mean?
Cheers |
You guys are great, and I am enjoying this level of help. Sometimes it seems like this all a swirl in my head. Shadorne, I have never seen the ATC's in person or any of the speakers here that we are talking about, but aesthetics is important.
I do find the ATC in rosewood quite attractive and although less adorned than the others mentioned, they seem fine enough.
Interestingly, as Doug has pointed out, the Lectron is an extrodinarily powerful 50 wats as evidence that it drives Dougs 88db Vons to his satisfaction. Well after a talk with Nick who is currently modding the lectron to his reference level, i got to asking him what he uses. He is right now running the passive ATC 20's, 83 db with two ATC active subs in a room similiarly sized to mine. Nick's listening preferences vary like mine.
I find it amazing that 50 watts could do it for such speakers but I trust Nick. And as it is well know, and shadhorne brings up, that ATC midrange is magic. Seems like with two subs backing it up it might be fantastic. Maybe a little out ok my price range, the combo new at 10k but I could forego a higher priced CDP for the combo.
Any thoughts?
Peter |
Sounds real, now that there is a fantastic idea. |
John, I wonder since my line up will be completely tube based, if a warm speaker will be a little too much of a good thing. I've heard this said before, and jave never expereinced it, just bringing it up as a discussion point.
Of course Doug has similar upstream components and as I know, is extermely sensitive to ant coloration so I am assuming the Doshi pre and Modded Lectron are neutral in sound.?
Peter |
here's something that might help suggestions. There are two recordings that I want to make sound really good. One is Lucinda Williams West and the other Is Neil Youngs recient releases of live shows the Fillmore and massey hall. If I could make those really sing, then I'd be a happy man.
Does that help?
Peter |
Got ya on that one Doug, and that is what I am wary with in terms of the verty's and the Merlin's. The audio physics, I'm not sure, never heard them described as warm but again, I have not heard them personally. I'm pretty sure the ATC's will not be described as warm.?
Doug, please tell me how the Amazon belt vs. your mylar belt can be described as warm. I am curious as to how a piece of small thread can add warmth?
Thanks |
Jim thanks for the gracious compliment. I truly respect and appreciate peoples knowledge here as I become involved in this hobby.
Take care,
Peter |
Inspiring words Oregon and much appreciated. Although in some estimation, it is unfortunate to just listen to equipment, it must be great to be able to listen to and expereince such a range of different set-ups. See that where my expereince lacks. I live in Montana. Cold winters. Short growing season. Seems aperfect combo for listening to music. Long dark cold days. Yet most here are poor and spending what I am considering spending and have spent is ludicrious as well as impossible. Somehow I have saved, worked hard and had some luck so i am able. maybe it is priority. I drive a car that cost less than some cables I hace bought. Thats ok with me, because "its the sound man."
Let me ask you Oregon, were you listening to the parsifal encores or ovations. I have heard there is a difference and in my budget only the encores are possible. However, thanks for the vote of confidence with the verty's. Speakers I have always been attracted to simply based on reviews. Which, with you good fellows input is all I have to go on.
Thanks again. I ahve never spent so much time on such a confusing choice. Usually I am such a straight forward kinds of guy. But speaker choices. man who knew it would be more complicated than which type of cattle to invest in:-).
Peter |
Oh ya, like Oregon said, com'on guys. Invite me over. I promise to bring a fine single malt or any libation of your choice!!
Peter |
Dan, what do you prefer to drink!? |
Alcohol it is!!
Tim thanks for the decription. That was going to be my next series of questions, given my room constraints how do folks see certain speakers fitting into my space. There are severqal issues. Facing the speakers, the one on the right can only get about 2.5 ft off the long wall. On the left side, its about 5 ft to the long wall.
Both speakers, because my couch splits the room basically in half, can only be about 2.5 feet off the wall. That might make for far field listening, me sitting about 10 feet from the speakers. I wish I could get more off the wall, but my better half does not want them sticking out into the room to much and honestly the way our living space is set-up to bring them further into the room really almost puts the left speaker right in the entry way, which sits on the left side of the room.
So I have to ask, condiering those contraints which in the suggested does well with those contraints.
Also, i have a question about room accustics. When I clap my hands in the room, I hear a definate echo. Does that mean I need more dampening to remove that echo?
Thanks for the advice,
Peter |
